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Russia - threadbanned users in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭eire4


    No they are in danger because of the Russian dictator and the campaign of genocide he is waging against the people of Ukraine. If the authoritarian regime in Moscow pulled all its invading military back to Russia nobody would be in danger at all. Every life lost and about to be lost is 100% the responsibility of the Russian dictator.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    And seemingly with depressing regularity, those loud conservatives who preach and boast of "traditional family values" turn out to be morally repugnant hypocrites. As disgraceful and sad as the story behind this is, it would be fabulous if it slowly ousted Orbán from his position.

    Now, if the next person reverses the backsliding Orbán's regime has been conducting, even better. Orbán is just the start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    I'm sure you think its fair. However he's not pro ukranian in any way shape or form. And he's the furthest thing from a history buff.

    He's a Serbian nationalist posing as history geek who takes every opportunity to over emphasize every Ukranian loss and Russian gain. And every one of his Youtube video titles almost bar none are clickbait.

    It's honestly a bit weird that all you do in this thread is push his youtube channel.... Do you fancy him or something?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,540 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @thinkabouit threadbanned (when you get back from your forum ban)



  • Posts: 577 ✭✭✭ Malaysia Lively Certificate


    Ireland is a neutral country and our politicians should not be getting involved. Neutrality should be respected at all costs but our politicians sh1t all over it to score points.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, and in that clip, after they showere the arrests, they also showed a few other protesters saying it like it is, and calling Putin non-human, and a traitor to Russia. I wonder what happened to him....

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1758541181133127986



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭mikewest


    Ireland is not a neutral country as confirmed by the last Taoiseach.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    @jmreire more

    Unfortunately most likely new conscripts for the frontline in Ukraine :(

    But maybe some people are just so fed up with life in putins Russia and even possible death on a frontline is better as there is no other way out of it for them??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Why was the recorder of that clip not pulled in by the police also? What ID would they have had that the police checked? I thought journalists were also being arrested. Surely any journalist covering this could not be considered pro-Kremlin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    The Russian people need to overthrow Putin now. This Navalny murder is the perfect catalyst. If they fail to act then NATO needs to stop the drip feed of nearly obsolete weapons and send everything that Ukraine wants.

    Nevermind F16s, Ukraine should be sent F35s.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I think we're just missing "what about (insert place here)" and then it's B-I-N-G-O.

    For the peace treaty people, the quickest way to get peace is for Russia to stop their invasion. But that option isn't usually mentioned in the posts for some very strange reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    As Golda Meir once said, " You can't make peace with people who are trying to kill you" When Zelelnski speaks about peace, then I'd listen, but until then, any talks about peace, even well-meaning ones, I'd treat as pro -Putin propaganda in effect, whatever about intent.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Whats being posted is the result of ordinary people using mobile phone cameras and posted online. How? I don't know, VPN connection maybe? If the clip posted says that Journalists are being arrested, I do not know how that's happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭josip


    At 1:34 the recorder's ID or something is checked by a policeman and based on that they are not grabbed. At 1:50 blue coat man is cursorily checked and they are also not taken away. But the recorder makes a point later of recording blue coat man's face. Very confusing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,764 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Is there no bin men in Russia to go on strike?

    If there's full employment now because of the war with so many abled being killed means that there's no reserve workforce available if any section of society went on strike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, and it caused such a furor that they set up security to catch anyone doing it, and they did catch some people who. So these people are deep in the DoDo now...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They probably make exceptions out of these people and conscript them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,764 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    And then the lorry drivers go on strike.

    This is how mass movements start. But it actually means getting out there in the first place. Granted Russian police guarrantee would beat the lard out of you but if the people want a difference there has to be movement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,764 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The Russian economy is now short of 5 million people for the jobs vacancies.

    If there's an opportunity for mass labour agitation in Russia to make Putin hurt and bring regime change. It's now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    You'd be better off just leaving the country. Hurts them in every way. Many good Russians left their homeland because they couldn't support the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭Polar101


    It's quite interesting. The president who resigned was Orban's ally, but her resignation didn't stop the outrage - Fidesz preached traditional values, but then they pardon someone like that. Hungarians aren't stupid, and it seems to be a big blunder by Fidesz.

    Orban doesn't really have many allies in the EU after the government change in Poland. I don't know enough about Hungarian politics to comment on whether there's enough opposition to change things, but at least this is pretty bad for Orban.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭eire4


    Ireland is not a neutral country. We are militarily not part of any alliance. But we are and have made it very clear we are very much part of the democracies of this world and stand against the oppressive authoritarian dictatorships of which Russia is one.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 577 ✭✭✭ Malaysia Lively Certificate


    I was watching this video on YouTube, it mentions how influencers like Denys and combat veteran etc., are raking in the money by keeping a pro Ukrainian view. I think at the end of the day, it is a business model for them, while their viewers are emotionally attached to the Ukrainian outcome.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q70AAal1ibw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Its Russia, and forget all that you have considered "normal" here in Ireland, or indeed the west generally. Its hard to fathom just how deep the corruption is unless you have actually been there and experienced it yourself. So, maybe the journalist / bystander gave the policeman some rubles, and then later the policeman had second thoughts about it and took a pic of the journalist / bystander, just in case...you never know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'd be inclined to agree with you...ultimately, he will be held as a party to whatever monkey business was going on with the pardon. The killer bit is he obviously knew what was going on but by not stopping it, he is perceived as assisting in it. Its a serious black mark against him no matter what way you look at it, and for sure, there has to be a big section of the population that are not in favor of his actions in the EU, which threatens EU cash for Hungary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    There will not be any workers going on strike in Putin's Russia, because Putin will consider strikes as an anti-Russian activity, and if there are not any laws presently, (I'm pretty sure that there are) Putin will introduce new laws PDQ, overnight if needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Russian society is already suffering from a lack of people in the workforce. Throughout this winter, the amount of malfunctioning heating systems in the cities reached an all-time high. No maintenance workers available, and this is only one sector, there's many more. Ordinary Russians are now starting to feel the bad effects of Putins war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,989 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I really don't get how some people pretend the current model of the Russian war economy is sustainable.

    Russia's GDP is completely average for a country of its size.

    Sure, their form of Government means they can pump money into military funding in a way that democractic countries cannot.

    But it's finite. There is only so much pushing around of roubles you can do on a limited economy for so long. What are they spending now on military. 30%? That's completely, 100%, unsustainable in even the medium term.

    This wierd persistent myth that they're some sort of superpower is perplexing.

    I would say the fact they're 2 years into a war against their poor neighbour and faring badly is more or less the ultimate fact of the matter that can't be danced around. I note China, despite its support in some aspects, is shocked at the terrible performance of the Russian army. I say shocked, but to some degree, I would say delighted.

    Putin is still going because he has no other choice, no more than Hitler felt he had no choice after 1943. That's pretty much it. There isn't a future for Putin if he admits defeat and withdraws in humiliation. But of course there is a future for Russia, and obviously, a better future.

    But Putin won't allow that. Like Hitler he'd likely be content to see Russia burn and spin his tale of woe, betrayal, blame his generals, blame the people, before he'd admit that he made a monumental, for the history books, blunder by invading.

    Also the west is never going to supply Ukraine with actual war-winning weapons. It's pretty obvious that the strategy is for Russia to burn out and retreat of their own accord and admit defeat.

    Ukraine suddenly getting an influx of war-winning weapons is a receipe for nuclear disaster by a vengeful maniac and not really sure why people don't get that. The goal is for Russia to reach collapse stage and be forced to withdraw.

    Not very nice for the people and soldiers of Ukraine but it's realistic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They're not a super power but they've insane stockpiles of equipment from the soviet era. Thankfully after almost 2 years much of that has been wiped out. If this war last another 2 year's you'll see a hell of a lot more t62 and maybe evenea few t56 tanks on the march.

    And by then NK won't have any artillery left to spare either. It's a dark moment now but there are 3 things which will help maintain Ukraine. Western fighter jets, renewed American support and Taurus missile's from Germany. I really wish Germany would give those missiles to give Ukraine a few short term victory's after losing Avdiivka. I'd love to see the Crimean bridge fall on election day.



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