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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    In the absence of sufficient gametime for wider provincial squad members, the IRFU has to produce more gametime. Would a small interpros tournament aimed at academy players and recent graduates be a good idea? Older squad players could also be used to fill out teams but preference given to younger players. Play the other three provinces and possibly a final + 3rd/4th place game. Venues chosen to minimise travel.

    Play the weekends of the Champions Cup knock outs, that means lads are still available for URC if needed. It also falls nicely after the U20 6N so those lads have time to integrate into their provincial side's systems. Might also give lads who missed the U20 6N a chance to stake a claim for the JWC squad. AIL clubs wouldn't be happy but lads playing for professional contracts need to be tested against their peers, not amateur players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Don’t think there is a need to move any on tbh. Bundee and Farrell will both be winding down in the next few years. Could definitely see Forde and Gavin being in senior Irish squads in the next few seasons too.



  • Posts: 186 ✭✭ Dax Gorgeous Wing


    Them, and the majority of young players in modern rugby. The old days of Connacht needing to field a very inexperienced bench due to a few injuries are thankfully gone right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭The Moist Buddha


    any of you goys going to match on Sunday? gonna hit ballsbridge early for some creamers before kick off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Cordero must be due back. Does anyone have an update?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    wow. wonder if he is even going to be chanced this season. maybe playing 23 at some stage!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Injury update from Connacht today.

    Boyle, Forde, Sean O'Brien available for this week's game against Cardiff.

    Jennings, Reilly, Kilgallen, and Porch all aiming for Scarlets in early March.

    McCormack and DTM late March.

    No update on Mack or Cordero.



  • Posts: 186 ✭✭ Dax Gorgeous Wing


    Cardiff have picked up 13 of their 21 points against the bottom four URC teams and they're contributing nine mostly inexperienced players to the Wales squad. Even if they get some Welsh players back for the weekend we should be able to field a significantly better team than them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Now while some say I recommend wholesale changes the reality is I do not. But Forde surely has to be worth a shot at 10. We know what our alternatives provide



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    I'd be in favour of this, but I don't believe it will happen. Management have shown very little creativity in selection at halfback and 15. Having spent the money to bring in JJ, that will function as a psychological obstacle to them stepping outside the box. Forde at 10 would be a logical thing to do given the age profile and our depth at centre, but that's our read on the situation through a blinkered provincial frame.

    There's been no mention of Connacht amid the speculation in terms of provincial moves among the Leinster 10s, but it can't be excluded. If I was Harry Byrne or Frawley, Galway looks like a more functional set up than Belfast, and the opportunity to be a starter rather than Crowley's understudy at Munster. So we'll see. I'd assume JJ is on a one year contract, and Jack is up at the end of next season. Interesting times.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Last year we came seventh with 50 points, no guarantee that’ll suffice this year, but it’s some type of a yardstick.

    We are currently on 24 with nine matches to play, for a maximum of 45 points. 6 wins, two bonus points will get us to 50. We’re likely competing with Stormers, Benettron, Edinburgh, Munster, Ulster, and Ospreys for positions 4-8.

    Next fixtures: Cardiff (A), Scarlets, Lions, Benetton (A), Zebre, Dragons (A), Munster (A), Stormers, Leinster (A)

    Five of those we would expect to win. Stormers is 50/50. Benetton (A) with all their internationals back is tough but not impossible, nor is Munster (A). I wouldn’t count on bringing anything home from Dublin.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Tough for McCormack, running out of time to earn a new contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Think I’d go for something along the lines of:

    Buckley DTM Aungier

    Joyce N Murray

    Prendergast Jansen SHL

    Blade Carty

    Forde Farrell

    Bolton TOH Smith


    Heff Dooley Illo Dowling SOB Devine JJ Ralston



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    DTM is injured, Ralston is serving the last game of his suspension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    We struggle to produce homegrown back rows. McCormack is as good as it gets in terms of profile (a rare Ireland u20 starter, might have played two seasons of u20s but for injury iirc) and he's been given 17 Challenge Cup minutes across 4.5 seasons (1.5 as a pro).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    I thought realhorrorshow said Jack got a new 3 year deal last Summer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Max Flynn looks like he could be another coming through. Hoping he makes it back before the end of this years u20s six nations



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Heff starting, McElroy on the bench and Oliver onto the bench instead of Ralston so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Kilgallen to Munster confirmed, toughest departure to take for a good while imo. Injured anyway ATM but even once back I'd rather minutes went to Jennings, Bolton, or Gavin instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Bit surprised it turned out to be true, was showing very well for us before his current injury and looked like nailing down a 1st choice spot. Will he be guaranteed more game time at Munster? I think provinces aren't allowed to outbid each other in these cases?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭Redo91


    Disappointing one. I thought the days of us losing players to the other provinces that we wanted to keep were over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,325 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    I think Connacht will be a bit sore at this one. Is that the first young academy player that they have lost to another province since Henshaw? Obviously Kilgallen isn't Henshaw but after he finally broke into the Connacht team as a regular this season to see him go at the first available opportunity will rankle with some.



  • Posts: 186 ✭✭ Dax Gorgeous Wing


    Clearly whatever conversation he's had with Rowntree and Prendergast has convinced him he has a better future down south. I think the way Munster want to play favours having a wing like him too.

    It doesn't surprise me too much. We've loaded up our back three with options then rotated him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Strongly agree with this. I wish Kilgallen well with his recovery, but the minutes available until the end of the season should eb used for players who are committed to Connacht. Give the ban on provinces outbidding each other, he has obviously opted to go south for his own reasons. That's bitterly disappointing given that he was developed through our academy etc.

    To leave is his choice; to play him once recovered - that's the choice of Connacht management. I would use him only as a break glass option. Let's have a look at Chay Mullins and Josh O'Connor, both of whom I've heard good things about.

    A word on Munster and attitudes present among some of their fans. A minority of them seem addicted to the quick fix, thus the endless appetite for signing NIQs or demanding provincial moves to their benefit. Such moves are justified on the grounds that it'll be 'good for Ireland' and 'sure they're all contracted by the IRFU anyway' etc etc.

    When was the last time a regular starter developed in Munster's Academy was moved to another province? How do you they'd respond if roles were reversed? I'm not impressed.



  • Posts: 487 ✭✭ Arthur Puny Textbook


    Can you show me where has Munster been "demanding provincial moves to their benefit"? Provinces cannot outbid one another, Munster made an offer, Connacht likely matched it and ultimately, it was up to the player where he saw his future.

    You seem to forget the countless players Connacht have picked up from Munster (as well as the other provinces) over the years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Can you name a regular Munster starter serenaded away by Connacht? I can't think of any.

    JJ, you dumped, and he ended up with us via a circuitous route.

    Alex Wooton had been sent to Siberia after injury.

    Conor Oliver had played a grand total of 300 minutes for Munster in the two seasons before his departure for Galway.

    Conor Fitzgerald was released from the Munster Academy.

    So, help me out here.

    As regards the 'demanding provincial moves' that was a reference to a part of your fan base not Munster rugby - we don't know what they say to the IRFU, or what was said in the context of this move. If you want evidence of that attitude among your fan base, look no further than the munsterfans board. It's full of posts about how Frawley, Dan Sheahan, Ronan Kelleher etc should be sent south for the good of everybody.

    Are you blind to the culture among some of your fellow fans and how much time they spend ogling in the window of Leinster's player roster?



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  • Posts: 487 ✭✭ Arthur Puny Textbook


    Kilgallen has played 23 times (starting 15 times) in 5 seasons. He has played a similar number of minutes for Connacht in 5 season (1164) as Oliver did for Munster in his 5 seasons (1166). There's no need to act like he's playing 1000+ minutes a season.

    Connacht aren't exactly short of back three options. This season as back three players they have: Bolton, Hansen, Jennings, Kilgallen, McNamara, McNulty, O'Halloran, Porch, Smith with Cordero to come back from injury. They also have 3 back-three players in the Academy. That's 10 senior players, plus the three academy lads.

    Bearing in mind, I wouldn't consider Kilgallen an established Connacht starter and I don't mean to sound ignorant but why would a Munster starter leave for Connacht?

    There's plenty of chat in each one of the provincial threads about what players a fan would like to see play for their province that are currently player at another province. There's no need to get so wound up over fan opinions. I've seen countless mentions here of suggestions that Connacht should attempt to sign x, y and z from such-and-such province.

    Provinces make moves for starters from other provinces multiple times each season, its ultimately up to the player where they see their future lie.



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