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Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans lifted - see OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭CuriousCal


    there seems to be very little motive for anyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    I type what I think and I was merely asking you your thoughts behind what you typed.

    It's blatently obvious that all you want to discuss is Marie Farrell, regardless of whether you are contradicing yourself or not once you can steer the conversation around to her that seems to be your only goal.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭CuriousCal


    have you watched the documentaries

    have you read the Gsoc report

    have you listened to the bandon tapes

    it screams she’s guilty of something that’s what I think so clearly I’m not allowed to type that as it’s not fitting into your agenda

    i think whatever she’s hiding needs to be uncovered for this case to be resolved

    do I think Ian Bailey killed Sophie, I don’t know, watching the Netflix documentary I would say he did, watching the other I would say he didn’t but there is a whole lot of untruths being told and they all come back to AGS and Marie Farrell no matter what way you look at it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    OK Thanks.

    I didn't realise that they had identified a particular garda who bore responsibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    No need to adopt an attitude that because I'm asking you a question it means I have decided you're not allowed type what you want, that's an extraordinary over reaction.

    It's a discussion forum, you know how it works.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭CuriousCal


    I haven’t adopted an attitude you seem to have an attitude about anything I post

    as you said it’s a discussion forum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    Well,

    Purely in terms of obvious motive, you'd have to start with Daniel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭CuriousCal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    The husband?

    We don't know who had motive

    And also the motive wasn't murder afaik



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭CuriousCal


    in other words Daniel was the one who would gain financially from her death



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    At that rate no one murdered Sophie as no one else's DNA was found. It is however an exposed location on the south west coast of Ireland in December 1996. Not great for preserving DNA or easy to collect samples.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,916 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Or the person who carried out the murder was not scratched at the scene... This is the suggestion the DPP was discussing in the relevant section:

    The Gardaí suggest that Ian Bailey is the murderer and was scratched on his hands and arms by the briars during the struggle.

    And concluding:

    If Bailey had murdered Sophie, he would have known that there was a definite possibility of forensic evidence such as blood, fibres, hair or skin tissue being discovered at the scene. His voluntary provision of fingerprints and a specimen of his blood is objectively indicative of innocence.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    Yes the DPP surmised that Bailey didn't commit a frenzied attack based on lack of DNA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,916 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Here's an example of a "prime and only suspect" in a murder case, who was found innocent at trial, and was subjected to abuse and harassment by the public after the police named him as such in the death of his wife. The acquittal was unanimously upheld by a court of appeal.

    Zero forensic evidence against him apart from one item which the judge set aside and appears to have been planted by police.

    Police ignored recommendations from their own medical examiner.

    There were questions earlier in the thread about such cases.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,531 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,916 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Trying to summarise...

    "The focus of the interview was Bailey’s reaction to Thomas’s decision to sue Frank Buttimer, her former ­solicitor who continued to act for Bailey. Ms Thomas is taking action against Mr Buttimer to get her legal files."

    Also relates to claims by Jules of not being paid by Netflix for filming of documentary at her house. And Bailey seemed to think he is owed money from Jules for separation - not sure if it relates to Netflix angle or not.

    Bailey before he died signed a statement supporting her case v Netflix.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭chooseusername




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,531 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Many thanks for doing that🙂

    Yeah it sounds like Bailey was starting a right b1tchfest against Joules- her main response was he can’t control his drink anymore and no-one can help him- which I’d say was pretty much 100% true.

    As for her civil legal cases, entirely a matter for her- has no baring on this topic thread and obviously sub-judice anyway- but does give a great insight into Baileys very self centered personality even towards his death. Even without the violence, Must have been incredibly difficult living with him day to day - all about him and nothing else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,531 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    You said it more eloquently than I could and much shorter too 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭tomhammer..


    I'm not seeing it

    What are u disagreeing with ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭chooseusername




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    The one written by Mark Tighe, the legal affairs and specialist investigative reporter that was twice awarded The News Reporter of The Year Award?

    What do you disagree with?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,531 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Lol- that post reads like because this reporter dude received a few awards, then his opinion and articles shouldn’t be disagreed with and all hailed as gospel and how dare anyone question him and what qualifications do you have anyway to criticise such a revered person - priceless 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    He is an accomplished award winning journalist, they are the facts, interpet the post anyway you want.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Since Bailey's DNA wasn't anywhere at the murder site, not on Sophie's body, or in or around the house, the scratches could not have come from there.

    That's pretty clear.

    Sophie did have scratches on her body, right? So this would indicate a fight I would say. This would mean that the murderer would have had to clean up and have had the time to clean up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    she made contact first under a false name and then rang from her home which she knows would be traced

    That's not correct.

    She first made contact on Christmas Day using her real name saying that she saw someone watching Sophie in town on Saturday and the same person on the road as she was going to Cork Sunday morning.

    She then made contact later as Fiona saying she saw a man at Kilfadda Bridge.

    There was an appeal on Crimecall a few weeks later for Fiona to ring back, and then Farrell rang back from her home phone as Fiona, thus the Gardai figured out Fiona was Farrell.

    Interestingly when Bailey was first interviewed, shortly after the murder, he said he went home from the pub and to bed and stayed there on both the Saturday and Sunday nights.

    We know that was not true of Sunday night, he got up and wrote.

    But it's also not true of Saturday night.

    Instead of going straight home after the pub he actually went to a party in Murphy's house and left there in the early morning.

    Murphy's house is close to where Farrell claimed to see a man Sunday morning, and it was around the same time Bailey claimed to have left the house.

    Why did Bailey lie to the Gardai about where he was Saturday night?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,916 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes afaik the autopsy report noted briar scratches on Sophie.

    The attacker could have been protected eg leather biker type gear but then... no scratches.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    As hard as it is, for those who support the "Bailey did it" theory, there is absolutely nothing on Bailey to convict him on.

    Bailey doesn't even owe an explanation to his scratches, whether he was killing a Turkey or cutting down a tree doesn't matter, his DNA isn't on the scene. ( that is if he was still alive )

    In absence of any decent DNA evidence it's very likely this crime will never be solved.

    It could have been anybody, Alfie and Shirley, Leo Bolger, the German musician, ex husband sending somebody, horny Guard from Bantry, somebody travelling in from France, even Bruno ( I wouldn't consider that signature as a good piece of evidence taken by a phone technician who sees many clients on any given day )

    One theory is as good or as bad as the other. We can't say if the killer knew Sophie or not, we don't know if the murder happened after an argument, or if the killer planned to kill her because he wanted to stop her from doing something, ( filing for an expensive divorce, or complaining about drug activity in the area ).

    Fact is, we don't know anything, just a whole lot of theories and phantasies.

    Men with dark coats and unshaven beards loitering in dark alleyways or being out at Kaelfadda bridge in the dead of night doesn't prove anything at all, nor does a bottle of expensive French wine.

    Post edited by tinytobe on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    One theory is as good or as bad as the other.

    But they are not.

    The greater volume of circumstantial evidence suggests Bailey.

    Less circumstantial evidence suggests Alfie and or Shirley.

    Theories about Gardai from Bantry and French hitmen are just BS suggested by Bailey.

    Not all theories are created equally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,916 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Not all theories are created equally when the volume of circumstantial information is a factor of the output\focus of the Garda investigation... an investigation is which they engaged in unsafe practices, and whipped up hysteria in the local community. An investigation in which they deliberately destroyed the record meant to show how Bailey was identified as a suspect, along with other suspect information.

    Once Ian Bailey was believed by the public particularly in the local area to be responsible for the murder the fear thereby engendered was bound to create a climate in which witnesses became suggestible (from the DPP report)

    Witness the hysterical wreck Bill Fuller was reduced to at the thought he glimpsed Bailey from a distance.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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