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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,504 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Then can you kindly show actual evidence that the children were deliberately targeted? Not some random tweet which has been found out as disinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,504 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Well, Hamas did strike Israel in October 7th, triggering this latest war. A long succession of wars where the Palestinians and Arabs in general have been on the losing side.

    One wonders, will they ever take the hint that they are not very good at this and perhaps take a more proactive peaceful position to a better future?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    A court calling for something is not the same as a court ruling on something. Given your ongoing concerns about misinformation I would have expected you to be more careful with the language you are using.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,733 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They have targeted children from the start and you question 1 incident. Its my opinion that they targeted them again because they have history for it. 12,000 murdered already is my reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,920 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Really? That's What you're going with?


    I can't post evidence that the structure was sound bo more than you can prove it needed to be destroyed. I notice you haven't commented on the fact that it's in that state BECAUSE of Israeli war crimes, why's that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,733 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They won't because the Israelis have been allowing, in fact encouraging, settlers to steal their lands. The Israelis might be good at war with the US backing them but they are slow learners if they believe they can do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Mighty but not smart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭scottser


    It's the scale of the French response and the brutality of their tactics which led to international and domestic condemnation, and ultimately the demise of DeGaulles government. Hamas are playing a similar game and expecting a similar result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    They have in the West Bank. You admitted earlier its not going well for them. I believe you called for the settlements to stop. Do you agree with the Americans sanctioning Israeli Settlers who engage in violence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,714 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Again, unlikely. According to this, in the first 4 months of setting up the death camps, they were killing around 50k per month, increasing massively after that. Get a grip


    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aau7292



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,733 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They hadn't set up death camps until 1941. The war began in 1939. There were concentration camps before '41.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,733 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭Toeuptony


    It's the very most they could have done considering the lack of backbone by Basketball Ireland.

    The correct thing to do would be to ban them from all international competitions, as happened with the Russians and even Belarus. Next best would have been not to turn up and to hell with the consequences. I heard some of the team didn't bother turning up, and fair play to them for that. I applaud the rest of the team for their protest, considering that they were put into such an uncomfortable situation.

    You seem to be putting a large amount of effort to defend the government, army and population of a country which has been plausibly accused of committing genocide by the ICJ (the most damning verdict they could have determined at this stage of the proceedings) and who are doing their best to allow the imprisoned population of an oppressed country to starve to death (along with the valiant efforts of the US, UK, etc.). What is your motivation I wonder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Are you changing your statement having read para #85 of the ICJ ruling? This is what you said originally - I've bolder the relevant statement:

    ICJ ruled that Hamas were in breach of international law and was carrying out a war crime in keeping hostages

    The ICJ reserved judgment on Israel and is pending an actual ruling, which could take years.

    Not the difference. That is why Hamas should release the hostages today. Do you not agree?

    I'm only raising this with you because you, rightly, are keen to avoid the spread of misinformation.

    The bolded text above, that you stated, is wrong (misinformation). I'm not saying you deliberately did it - just giving you the opportunity to correct yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    A picture/video with no context is not misinformation.

    Perhaps you call it misinformation because it doesn't suit your narrative?


    Here's a picture - only a picture. No context required.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Genocide:


    ICJ measures:

    1. For Israel to take "all measures" to prevent acts of genocide from taking place

    2. To ensure the IDF does not engage in any acts of genocide

    3. To prevent and punish public incitement to genocide, including by government and military officials

    4. To enable basic services and humanitarian aid to reach Gazan civilians

    5. To preserve evidence related to violations of Genocide Convention

    6. To submit a report to the ICJ within one month on all measures taken



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭Toeuptony


    If this were the penalty (and I heard there was a 5 year ban proposed too) let them try to levy it. I'd imagine that many more countries would line up behind Ireland to support this movement, which would have caused critical mass of banned countries and would cause all previous bans and fines to be cancelled. I'd also imagine that a lot of the fine could be crowd funded too if it came to that.

    Apartheid in South Africa was ended in part by protests by the general public and bans from international sporting competitions. It started here with Mary Manning and what started with a trickle ended up as a flood. The same thing needs to happen now with this nightmare. Israel and the population who support the government there should be treated as pariahs, unwelcome anywhere they go until at the very least a permanent ceasefire and ideally a permanent two state solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I was subject to severe bullying in school. I was physically attacked, punched, kicked, bitten, had my clothing burned, I was spat on, my lunch money was stolen.

    I was always on the losing side.

    Maybe I should have taken the hint?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,504 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Again, you are showing off your utter ignorance of history.

    Polish military casualties after 6 weeks of war with the Germans were approximately 66,000 killed, another 134,000 wounded, and another 675,000 captured. Most of those captured ended up dying in concentration camps.

    Do you want to hear the civilian casuaties?

    7,000 died from the bombing of Warsaw alone.

    150,000-200,00 civilians died during this invasion, it is estimated.

    All told when the fighting was over approx 5.6 million poles died.

    So, please stop pontificating over stuff you know nothing about.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    A stain for generations to come.

    Haaretz:

    After PM Netanyahu called Hamas' response to the proposal "delusional," senior Hamas official Osama Hamdan said the PM's remarks show he intends to pursue conflict in the region.

    Released Israeli hostages responded to Netanyahu's remarks Wednesday night, saying, "We have reached the moment of truth where we must decide who will live and who will die. The price is heavy, but the price of abandonment will be a stain for generations to come."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Fantasy

    "With his constant refrain of 'continuing until total victory,' Netanyahu, like many other leaders before him, is living in a Churchillian fantasy. What he can't accept is that in his World War II cosplaying, he isn't Winston Churchill but Neville Chamberlain – the dismal appeaser whom Churchill replaced eight months after war began" – Anshel Pfeffer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,504 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Perhaps not a ruling per se, but did issue the following order.


    The Court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip are bound by international humanitarian law. It is gravely concerned about the fate of the hostages abducted during the attack in Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭dmcdona



    Haaretz:

    The major Israeli protest movement that led the Kaplan Street protests against PM Netanyahu's judicial coup announced that protests calling for new elections will resume on Thursday night across Israel for the first time since October 7.

    War cabinet ministers Benny Gantz and Gadi Eisenkot met with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who said that he raised with Netanyahu "profound concerns about actions and rhetoric, including from government officials, that inflame tension and undercut international support and place greater strains on Israel's security."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,504 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Are we actually engaging in a debate, where a poster is trying to downplay what the Nazis did in Europe, in order to win an argument on the internet?

    God help us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Emphasising something, being concerned by something and then calling for something isn't issuing an order. And before you start trying to accuse me of anti-Semitism I agree with the ICJ, I just take issue with you trying to frame this in a certain way when you're simultaneously trying to berate people for spreading misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,504 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Did you attack and severely injure the bully's family?

    I am drawing a parallel with what happened regarding Hamas on October 7th.

    OK, not sure what your personal story has to do with decades of Palestinian mishaps, mistakes and bad strategy, but it is not the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,920 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,504 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The correct thing to do would be to ban them from all international competitions, as happened with the Russians and even Belarus. 

    That is up to international sporting bodies and affiliates, like the IOC, FIFA.

    Also, what Israel is doing is not remotely the same as what Russia is doing. Not by a mile, so for that reason, I wouldn't ask the ban them.

    As to the women's Basketball team, they hanlded it terribly imo.

    What is your motivation I wonder?

    You tell me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,504 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The order from the ICJ is this.


    The Court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip are bound by international humanitarian law. It is gravely concerned about the fate of the hostages abducted during the attack in Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release.

    It alludes to Hamas breaking international law, mentions their abduction as hostages (one can call this a war crime) and calls for immediate and unconditional release.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    This is what you said originally:

    ICJ ruled that Hamas were in breach of international law and was carrying out a war crime in keeping hostages

    Are you going to correct what you posted, which is clearly misinformation?



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