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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    With Benetton up next week, we should have some injured players back. I hope Ross is back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I think Ulster will approach Frawley but I can see Leo and Nienaber convincing him how important he is to Leinster moving forward. I always thought that Harry Byrne is exactly what Ulster have needed for years. Harry and Nathan Doak have the making of a stellar 9/10 partnership. Harry would offer them the stability across the board that they have needed.

    Frawley is that perfect utility player in a Jacques Nienaber team that brings the team to another level. You are spot on about Jimmy O'Brien too. They are two members of the team that are essential to a Leinster team moving forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Never mind 12, if Frawley leave they have a huge gap at 15 behind Keenan who is not available most of the season.

    As I said yesterday the only reason for Frawley to leave is if he really wants to play 10 and no other position. He is already getting into the Leinster team and the Ireland squad based on his performances.

    If he wasn't in the Ireland squad you might say he will move to stake a claim



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Would Rob Russell be viable as a full back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Huge gap? JOB and Larmour have both played there, and Osborne would be a very good break-glass 5th choice option.

    Yes, you're taking them away from the wing spot, but I think they'd likely sign someone anyways, especially if Ngatai leaves; wing or fb would be a very viable option for a signing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    I wouldn’t be surprised if McErlean gets game time at 15 soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭FrannoFan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    nah he is back playing, came off the bench for Terenure recently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    hoping to see a lot of leinster players playing AIL this weekend.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Is Cosgrave playing AIL these days? If so, how is he getting on?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    he got injured at christmas playing for leinster dev and is out for the forseeable future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    If Ireland Persist with 6/2 people are going to have far fewer problems with being seen as a utility back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭Serbian


    Agree it's not a huge gap, but I don't want to see Larmour in the 15 shirt again. He just can't hack it under the high ball. Everything else in his game is at least serviceable, but that's one area of massive weakness and very important for the 15 position. It's obviously pretty important for the 14 position too, but that's what has cost him an Ireland place, he'll probably always be good enough for 14 at provincial level.

    I think the management see Larmour as the break glass option and Osbourne is one step higher on the 15 depth chart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    It's bizarre that Larmour is so poor under the high ball. It must be a mental block. Otherwise, he's quality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    JOB is likely Keenans back up. Cosgrave hasn't played for the seniors for a long time and he's currently out injured. He's also a year 3, so he hasn't taken his few opportunities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    No less weird than McGrath not been able to pass consistently, or Porter's atrocious scrum technique. Always seems so bizarre that pro players fail to address such fundamental aspects of their position



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Yeah I'm sure those players purposefully ignore weaknesses in their game because they really, really enjoy being bad professionals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Sarcasm aside, the fact that they and the team have failed to address these deficiencies is pretty damning. Leinster have possibly the most professional set up in the game, it's frankly shocking that Porter in particular is still so poor at scrummaging.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    But he isn't though..

    The general consensus from Front row experts is that Porter is being wrongly penalised in a high proportion of cases.

    BJ Botha discussed the French game earlier this week and Alex Corbisiero gave a detailed review of the NZ World Cup game as well.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,834 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    yeah, you dont get 60 tests caps as a loosehead when you are "so poor at scrummaging"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    John Hayes career might stand in opposition to that statement. I would agree that Porter has suffered from some negative perceptions lately, but the fact is that's not without reason.

    He has had the same issues since he swapped across. His bind is too short, and he tends to drop his left shoulder and turn it in. His angle is kicked out, and while I'd suggest every LHs goal is to try and get away with boring in, he's too unsubtle about it. He leaves his hooker exposed, which often allows the opposition to isolate and attack him.


    He's been blown up enough times by refs at this stage that it ought to have been addressed by his coaches. Healy is a far superior scrummager, even in the twilight of his career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Botha does not ref matches! His opinions are just that, opinions. Whatever is going on with Porter's scrum technique, it still has not being addressed. The refs make decisions rightly or wrongly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Healy is a better scrummager at 36 years old! Is this perception by the refs? Or is Healy just that good?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    A bit of both.

    Referees in general don't have a clue what's going on in the scrum and they base their decisions entirely off very narrow interpretations of the "picture" they are presented with , there is also a significant element of reputation layered on top.

    They don't tend to actually view each scrum as an independent unique event , which is exactly what they are.

    So a player with a perceived issue will tend to come out the wrong side of the decision more often that the facts should dictate.

    The same happens at the macro level , if a team is perceived to have a particularly strong/weak scrum overall , the referees will tend to factor that into the decision making process, so South Africa get away with all kinds of stuff at the scrum because the perception is that their scrum is really strong so they would have no reason to collapse or wheel etc.

    It's human nature , but it doesn't make the decision any less incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    It's dismaying that scrums are managed and judged by an assortment of individual referees. At this stage, Porter if pre judged is fecked. He can't buy a decision. I reckon the fault lays at Porters feet? He's responsible for his technique and his faults.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There's definitely a need for a "rebranding" as it were and working with the referees offline to show the issues and where the misconceptions are occurring.

    Sharing the analysis like the ones done by Botha/Corbisiero would be a good start.

    To be honest , Referees should be sat down with guys like that and go through about 100 scrums on Video with those guys explaining all the nuance of what is happening.

    Also , the point made by Botha in his review of the France game about the overhead camera view is an interesting one - Should the TMO be used to watch that viewpoint during the scrums to give the ref further insight into what's happening?

    In the example Botha gave , the ref was on the far side of the scrum and the AR was 40m+ away on Porters side when they penalised him for turning in when the top down view shows it was clearly Atonio that caused the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Yes! There should be more observation of the scrum. Perhaps using the Hawkeye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    This feels like such an obvious idea. The TMO could have 3 views of the scrum, and call in to the ref if he sees a clear infraction.



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