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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Going back to influence on and of the media, has anyone else noticed constant short clips from Schindler's List on their youtube suggestions? It was like that the last few months and now has moved to The Pianist (a film I've never seen).


    Even fake news CNN re-published a 2017 documentary yesterday about Islamic terrorism in Europe.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    I think of Qatar as straddling both sides of the fence. They do after all have the largest US military base in the entire region on their soil (willingly so and for more than a quarter of a century i.e. before 9/11 remade the map). And then, as you rightly call out, they funnel money to Hamas and allow their leadership to base themselves, in quite luxurious fashion, in Doha. They also enjoy all the usual nice things the West has to offer, including horse racing (where we in Ireland benefit massively from their largesse). So yeah, like Saudi Arabia, they are facing in two directions at once - the Janus of the Middle East if you like.

    The West fully understands and tolerates this stance.

    Iran however is not straddling any fence. It means what it says when it screams 'death to Israel, death to America'. Its entire polity is a strange mixture of Islamo-facism and nihilism - it stands for confrontation, death, misery. All in the name of some crazy interpretation of Islam. It actively seeks to stoke and promote violence in the name of Islam, or just plain old violence in the case of its Russian alliance.

    So no, I don't see Qatar and Iran as being remotely the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    The reality is he is going to be killed, one way or another. Whether it's in a tunnel now with a suicide vest strapped on or via a drone strike to a building he's in, or something more close up and personal, Israel is going to see him dead. And anyone else connected with the planning and execution of the 07-Oct pogrom.

    Israel's doctrine in this regard has been clear for decades now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,651 ✭✭✭circadian


    Go south to Rafah they say. It's safe there, they say.


    Where are these people supposed to go? 1.9 million people in this area.


    That's nearly 30,000 people per square km. Someone explain to me how the IDF can effectively hit targets without civlian casulaties. How the **** is this using the population as human shields? Someone explain that to me. The IDF forced the people south and is now indiscriminately bombing them. I honestly believe Hamas could release all the prisoners but the IDF would continue it's campaign regardless. They have shown nothing, not one iota of desire to stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Much as we asked the question 'what does Iran want?', we should also ask the question 'what does Russia want?'. Bearing in mind that Russia has far more strategic reach than Iran.

    Russia is at war with 'the West'. This war takes many forms - from outright invasion in Ukraine, to asymmetric warfare such as trying to rig elections and referenda, through to aiding other regimes that are opposed to Western interests. You can see this most starkly in everything they perpetrated in Syria, where they murdered tens of thousands of Sunni Arab civilians in order to help their ally Assad stay in power. Including quite a lot of Palestinian refugees.

    So make no mistake, Russia is absolutely delighted with the current turn of events in the Middle East. It distracts from what they are doing in Ukraine and indeed has been enormously successful - witness the craziness on Capitol Hill yesterday where the Republicans rejected a border bill that gave them everything they wanted, just so that they wouldn't have to approve more aid to Ukraine. All at the behest of one Donald J Trump who might as well have 'SVR Asset bought and sold' tattooed on his orange forehead.

    Russia and Iran are our enemies. They are anathema to everything we stand for and we should be entirely vigilant in recognising both their means and their objectives. Hamas is just one of the means.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    The force asymmetry is clearly enormous. Why doesn't Hamas just unconditionally surrender?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    They are the same to the extent that they support terrorism.

    The difference is one is amenable to western interests and does not seek to oppose the west so they get a pass. If it was really about principle Qatar would be condemned and threatened with sanctions for their support of Hamas.

    Post edited by nacho libre on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭Toeuptony


    The protester stood up and said "I'm Jewish, I support Palestinian human rights" calmly and repeatedly until he was angrily ejected from the room.

    Can you please explain how this is anti-Semitic?

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1754616548650528865



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes that is their doctrine and they are very effective at it. The Hamas Leadership will want immunity as part of any long term deal, but I can't see Israel agreeing to it. Erdoğan has warned Israel not to target any Hamas figures in Istanbul. I don't see them heeding that warning . Operation grapes of Wrath went on for years. This one will too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Its not in Bibi's interest for the war to stop as it could lead to his far right friends collapsing the current Government, that is why if he has his way any truce will be temporary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭Toeuptony


    "But opposition to Israel typically comes from either Islamists or the Western Left, many of those Leftists who are supposedly with Ukraine."

    Opposition to Israel also comes from people with no particular political affiliation, who are not happy to stand by and watch the murder, starvation and collective punishment of innocent civilians and the mass destruction of their living space.

    The same is true for the opposition of Russia / support of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭Toeuptony


    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, said Carl Sagan once."

    Like the claims that Israel made about UNWRA, which were swallowed hook, line and sinker by the US, UK and others, but which now appear to be largely unsubstantiated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Condemned.

    TBF I’m not sure I’ve seen a single post defending such actions on here.

    Do any of the countless people you follow on X ever post anything about Hamas or Hezbollah “scumbaggery” or the like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Although the passage of the resolution was procedurally valid, 

    It was passed, wasn't it?


    So yes, I'd say international law was very heavily ignored.

    Opinion, not fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    He is right wing in his views, so he doesn't like to believe any one with the same political outlook as him could oppose Israel. This thread is an opportunity for him to slate the left and support Israel at the same time. He can't conceive that opposition to Israel maybe more nuanced than his simplistic outlook



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Are you standing over using Jonathan Hinkle as a source of your Tweets?

    This is a guy who monitsiese the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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    Who regularly appears on Putin-funded Russian propaganda.

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    Who has Twitter fights with his parents..

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    Never mind his far-right views, his conspiracy theory-pushing tweets and the bare-faced lies he publishes just to make money for himself.

    Pekka Kallioniemi said this about him

    He is what I call a "Merchant of Rage" - he posts extremely polarizing views on social media, lets the social media algorithms - that heavily prioritize enraging content - spread them far and wide, and then tries to somehow make money out of this process.

    You are feeding him money by reposting his content.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Going back to influence on and of the media, has anyone else noticed constant short clips from Schindler's List on their youtube suggestions? It was like that the last few months and now has moved to The Pianist (a film I've never seen).

    The Jews are at it again I guess....

    *sigh*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    We have no idea if he is Jewish or not

    But..

    Going into a Jewish temple and shouting and roaring about Zionism is anti-semitic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I made a lengthy post about this, but suffice to say a lot of what UNRWA and Hamas was up to is not public knowledge and their own security agencies will have the finger on the pulse a lot more, than some dude with a podcast.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭Toeuptony


    He didn't roar about Zionism. As I said in my post, he stood up and calmly said "I'm Jewish and I support Palestinian human rights".

    Supporting Palestinian human rights is not anti-Semitic, seeing as Palestinians are also Semitic.

    Whether or not he is Jewish is irrelevant, as he was not being anti-Semitic as you have claimed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,651 ✭✭✭circadian


    No it's not, although I would conclude the same as I did yesterday with the German fella trying to hang up posters of Israeli hostages at a Palestinian demonstration. Clout and stirring, it does nothing to reduce tensions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Sorry, it was the poster who posted the video, who then had a go at Zionism.

    My mistake, but the charge still exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    And again you choose to attack the source while always avoiding the content, pretend the source was jesus christ, or Tucker Carlson or whoever your favourite reporter is


    Now comment on the content.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    We do tend (me included) to think of Arab countries as a homogenous bloc when they're anything but. This wiki article is quite informative in terms of inter-Arab tensions, primarily between Qarar and Saudi Arabia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes. They fell out over which terrorists to support. At one stage, prior to Russia holding the winter Olympics in 2015, as reported by the Daily Telegraph, the Saudis threatened Putin that their proxies would cause trouble for him if he didn't agree with them on something . It really is a moral maze when you look into the world of geopolitics. It reminds me of an episode of West Wing when Martin Sheen's character says to one of his aides: " I prefer you to address me as Mr President when I have to make these decisions".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,651 ✭✭✭circadian


    I don't know. Why doesn't Israel recognise that the vast majority of people in this area are not combatants?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Let's stick with the original question - 'why doesn't Hamas unconditionally surrender?'

    Pros:

    • The shooting and bombing would stop
    • Gazan suffering could be alleviated with aid allowed to flow
    • They can't win against the IDF. The odds are too great. Lay down arms, return hostages, honourable surrender.

    Cons:

    ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,651 ✭✭✭circadian




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    And yet, evidence over a sustained period of time, prior to October 7th, shows that to be without basis. Dozens of children killed every year in the West Bank (where Hamas has no power). Palestinians being killed and driven off land that has been in their families for generations by settlers. Normal people trying to go about their daily business harassed and humiliated on a daily basis by IDF soldier.

    There is no point pretending otherwise. The zionists have been subjugating and incarcerating the Palestinians for decades before there was the idea of Hamas.



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