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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,559 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think if he appeals it to the Supreme Court, he should let Alina Habba take the lead on it. Go on, give her another try! I'm sure she'll do a great job this time, just got unlucky in the last one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭amandstu


    A pity we can't have immunity from his Presidency :-(

    I see Haley is asking for Secret Service protection now.

    Don't get too close to DJT's rear end and she may survive ,hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I read there's a stay until the 12th of February?

    The case has been adjourned from the March date, but if SCOTUS deny cert, then it leaves the case open to proceed in April. Plenty of time to get a conviction by November....


    (corrected)

    Post edited by everlast75 on

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    There is no actual reason the SC should be looking at it.

    Generally they are there to rule on dissenting judgements, to make decisions in places where two parties have interpreted law in different ways. They are not really supposed to be a place to go just because the loser didn't like the verdict.

    There is no dissenting verdict in this case, no two points of law to be decided between. Trump said he was immune just because he thinks he should be, he didn't offer any law that gave him the right to declare that. When asked the question a court said that clearly he shouldn't be.

    In a functioning state the SC wouldn't touch this with a bargepole.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,729 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The unanimous ruling from DC certainly gives them an easier path to do that now.

    There's no ambiguity to be reviewed/challenged so makes it much harder for Team Trump to get an appeal.

    They can't appeal just because they don't like the result , they have to find a point of law to argue and now that they don't have a minority dissent to use as leverage that becomes much much harder.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That might prove to be the largest bombshell in the whole scenario: the unanimous verdict now allows the Supreme Court to claim plausible deniability, so can now neatly avoid the political quagmire of being dragged into Donald Trump's shít. I had reckoned that the conservative judges put there by Trump no longer owe him anything, and now with this judgement they even have the convenience to go don't see anything wrong here and back away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,559 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Saw a tweet though suggesting that the SC might decide to have their official say on it, even if it's just to agree with the District Court, but could kick the can down the road enough that any case against Trump likely wouldn't proceed before the election. A way for the Conservative judges to protect Trump politically while not protecting him legally, because if Trump did then win the election, he's almost undoubtedly protected again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    talking heads pointing out they don't HAVE to take it, doesn't mean they won't

    a unanimous 60 page decision would be a hard one for them to take up, but doesn't mean they can't.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The question, then, is how long would it take for the SCOTUS to give an indication whether or not they will hear the case. If it's something that gets stuck in the pipeline among all the other things they have to do, and will take some time on top of that to study the legal opinion by the D.C. court, then it's still worthwhile for Trump's team to appeal it with respect to running down the clock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    They could drag it out to the end of the session in June/July or even put it on the docket for next court term which starts in October. There would be no logical reason for them to in this case but it doesn’t preclude the bare possibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I'd be genuinely shocked if the Supreme Court went near that with a barge pole. As others have said, there is no argument here. No dissenting opinion, just an idiotic argument by Trump's legal team being well and truly slapped down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,394 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Dragging it out to October would be openly political and I cannot imagine John Roberts wanting to get involved in that. They might take a month or so to "consider" it but I cannot see it being any longer than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    No doubt the courts can delay if they want, but it's a matter of whether they are prepared to take **** from the public in order to provide temporary cover, and that's all it will be, for oul Seditious Don

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    But if the supreme court plays silly buggers around it, doesn't that just sign their own death warrant essentially as unless Trump then gets in and appoints himself king... Whoever the next non crazy administration is will make it a priority to rebalance things and add things like term limits or adjust the numbers... After all, the supreme court would have just handed them immunity, as well as Trump.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,729 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And in yet more proof that the GOP are utterly craven bootlicking sycophants to their God-King , see the latest attempt by them to do nothing.

    The day after the bipartisan compromise on border policy and security aid was unveiled, one Republican after another lined up to announce their opposition. A few hours ago, they were joined by Sen. John Barrasso — the No. 3 Republican in the chamber, and the highest-ranking GOP leader to reject the legislative deal.

    “Americans will turn to the upcoming election to end the border crisis,” the Wyoming senator said in a written statement.


    House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan made a similar comment during an appearance on Fox Business:


    Let’s say ‘timeout’ and then let the American people decide how we want to deal with this in November, when we have President Trump ... against President Biden. Let the country decide.

    So their latest wheeze is "It's an Election year , we shouldn't be making any decisions that a new President might not like, so let's just sit back and wait until the end of January 2025 when the winner of the election gets sworn in"

    So - It's an "invasion" and a "crisis" but sure, let's not even attempt to do a single thing for almost a year just so we don't give the other guy a "win".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,048 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    This is a massive blow to Trump. Had he won this the entire Jan 6th would disappear.

    This ruling, and any appeal to the Supreme Court, ensures it stays front and centre.

    Another massive legal blow after last week's humiliating damages ruling.

    It won't make any difference to his supporters who have shown themselves to not care about the law or responsibility, but this will give massive ammunition to Dems.

    Trump will, as usual, attempt to laugh this off or claim a conspiracy but the troubles keep mounting and Trump, apart from the 2016 win, has shown little to think that he has any idea of how to get out of this.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,729 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    So far at least he is behaving himself and has just said that he "respectfully disagrees" with the ruling and has restated his nonsense view that a President cannot function without Absolute Immunity.

    When I say "behaving" obviously that's all relative , I mean he did use the whole "Deranged Jack Smith" thing but at least in terms of the Judges he kept his mouth shut and didn't call them "deep state plants" etc.

    But I expect we'll see those "truths" tonight when the sun-downing kicks off.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Getting severe flashbacks of 2016 and Obama's SC pick Garland refused by the GOP cos it was an "election year".

    And if Biden wins, there'll be another excuse - or else they'll start screaming "why didn't you fix it earlier??"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,686 ✭✭✭✭looksee




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So basically he's saying "President Biden, please send Seal Team Six after me, you're immune"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    It baffles me that he believes that he is entitled to immunity, but that the incumbent isn't🤷‍♂️

    Zero logic and whatever about being an agent of chaos? The man is fast becoming a gibbering idiot. Little rocketman was right back in 2017, when he called Trump a dotard...

    Who knew North Korea had such intel 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,032 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Engoron making very clear that he will proceed on a falsus in uno basis regarding Weisselberg's testimony to the court.

    If perjury is confirmed, and I'd hazard that if even so much as Weisselberg's seeking a plea deal is confirmed? That Engoron will enforce as punitive a sanction as he can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Of the four main indictments hanging over Trump right now, do we know which one will conclude the soonest, or is likely to? It's just that the 2024 US general election already looks like it's going to be fraught in a way that modern western politics hasn't really seen even without the trials. Having the business end of them coincide with the business end of the campaign, where I have to think Trump will be doing everything he can to whip his support into a frenzy, is going to be something else. 'Messy' wouldn't adequately cover it, is my guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I haven't yet read the judgement but something that jumps out to me from Kaitlan Collins tweet below.

    ‘take care that the Laws be faithfully executed,’ were the sole officer capable of defying those Laws with impunity.”

    The consensus decision of the court, quite deliberately and explicitly names the President as an officer. It potentially strengthens the 14th amendment disqualification as it kicks the legs out from under "the President isn't an officer" argument.

    It's not just confirmation that Trump is criminally liable but, also that as an "officer" per the constitution that he is subject to the full effect of Article 14 sec 3.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I fully agree with you that the POTUS is obviously an officer of the US, but law appears to utterly revel in semantics. I could be fully wrong, here, but the case appears to be about what 'officer' means with respect to A14 sec 3, even though the POTUS is named as an officer of the US in other parts of their constitution. I should think the original authors of that text didn't think it could be interpreted so murkily, but then again they probably didn't envisage someone like Donald Trump happening either. If it were so clear in the nitty-gritty technical sense, it obviously wouldn't have made it as a question to consider before the SCOTUS.



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