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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yep. Only a matter of time before a refugee or politician is murdered.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    And who's fault will that be .Like you say we have got our warning.

    The Government will blame the far right .

    The far right will blame the government .

    It will probably end up with another riot unless the government see sense and any resolution involves compromise on both sides



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    People claiming asylum are going to be turned away. They will simply be housed in hotels instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It's difficult to reason with someone who thinks the only way to protest is to burn buildings.

    Stupid people burned a hotel quite near me (Ross House Hotel, Galway). Absolute brainless idiots and most local people were disgusted. If they had continued their blockade (lasted 1 day), I would have absolutely no issue with that. But depriving the community of a once popular hotel was an act of mindless brainless thuggery. I will never condone such acts.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    I can't imagine the government will compromise with terrorists. Its just going to open the doors to anarchy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    If a person murders someone it's their fault. You can't seriously be suggesting "the government made me murder someone" is a credible defense.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭L.Ball


    They probably thought "well we're going to lose the hotel either way, **** it".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No. These people don't think. They are beyond rational thought. Attention seeking perhaps but mainly brainless. There is nothing smart about that move, there is nothing to be proud of. The reasoned protesters were also disgusted. It made them look like fools. Stupidity of the highest order and then we get the copycat idiots...

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭L.Ball




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭slay55


    🤣🤣🤣🤣 as groundless as blaming the far right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Well if the government keep steam rolling asylum seekers into locations which are already over run with an infux of refugees we will be having news headlines every week about accomadation going up in flames it seems to me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    Th obvious solution is to only house asylum seekers in hotels that are already in use and that have staff in them 24/7. It's only been empty buildings that have been attacked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Violence and arson attacks are always wrong, but it's not surprising either.

    The Government and their media hangers-on have ignored, marginalised and demonised anyone who expressed concerns (never mind objections) to this farcical "policy" for the last 2 years. It was unfortunately inevitable that the situation would escalate.

    Of course, now that the party bosses see problems in the upcoming elections (and the latest poll backing up what people here have been saying for months or longer: that an increasing number of people want a new political option), the TDs have been sent out with a new "we've heard you" message in recent weeks - although I did read the "poor Helen" (McEntee) article the other day in the Indo with her being near tears and sleepless nights over the situation in Gaza. A tragic and sad situation to be sure, but nothing we can do about it either and it would be better if she was so upset about the problems faced by Irish families and communities as a result of the policies she and her ilk have pursued over not just the last 2 years, but the last decade!

    People can only be pushed so far and there will always be those who will take it that step further. It's not right (and they should face the law accordingly) but it was inevitable when you ignore and insult people for as long as this Government has.

    The promises of controls and deportations and all the other noises coming from Government buildings in the last few weeks are Exhibit A in the study of "how to close the barn door after the horse has not only bolted, but also how to stroke discontent and division in your own society and then wonder how it got to this".

    It takes a LOT for the Irish to get to this point. The last time was the Irish Water outrage from 2014 (another FG led disaster), the time before that was the Anti-drugs protests of the mid-90s (when FG were ALSO in power), but when it happens, things get serious quickly as it has again now. It shouldn't have come to this, but all the "feel-good" social referenda/referendums can only mask the more serious social issues for so long before people say enough!

    The moral of the story - as I've said lots of times before - is to remember that FG in Government are actually WORSE than FF because they not only make everything worse, they damage the basis of our society in the social contract because of their ingrained arrogance. Far from being the party of Justice, they have once again created a situation where protests and people taking things into their own hands are being seen as the only options to be heard.

    Again, it's not right that it's gotten to this point, but the Government have only themselves to blame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭tom23


    who ever termed the phrase the party of Justice where talking through their hoop. I read that article on McEntee. Out of her depth. Like Tubridy at RTE has personified the ‘nepo’ baby term. Don’t doubt the lady is smart and intelligent but just out of her depth in that role. Playing to crowd on Gaza. I doubt anyone in Fine Gael really gives the square root of 6 ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,287 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That place that was firebombed yesterday in Crooksling is on an isolated country road and a good two and a half miles from the nearest houses or housing estate......there's literally nobody living near it and the nearest amenities are two or three golf courses. The concerned "protesters" were having to drive miles even to get access to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭US3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Good point. as you say 'the nearest amenities are two or three golf courses'. Obviously, a daft place to go putting migrants!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭sonofenoch



    'Private' golf course is it? ....aren't they all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,263 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The obvious solution is to process asylum claims within a week, at the port of entry.

    No AS should get past the port of entry.

    Therefore, no need to hire all these B&B and nursing homes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,287 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Wikipedia : "Firebombing is a bombing technique designed to damage a target, generally an urban area, through the use of fire, caused by incendiary devices. In popular usage, any act in which an incendiary device is used to initiate a fire is often described as a "firebombing",

    (Glad to be of assistance).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    I admire your confidence in the current government establishing a system like that. Unfortunately I don't share the same confidence in them as you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭gw80


    Sorry,was that pun intentional?

    It was good if so,

    "Putting"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭ECookie13


    Did anyone else find it utterly bizarre, but predictable, that the usual MSM suspects such as RTE are reporting "a few hundred" anti immigration protesters in Dublin today.

    It was clearly thousands, but it shows how warped these outlets are and the usual downplaying that goes on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭ECookie13


    As someone who passed by it earlier, it factually was a few thousand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    It was about 1500 max, probably closer to 1200.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    Look at how Pravda covered it in their report.it was taken from right beside posh by Barrett’s jamboree trying to make it look like his gathering was massive.laughable and Pravda/rte,newstalk (hello Kieran Cuddihy) and the Irish times need to wake up and stop treating the public like brain dead fools



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    Quote the collection of people at this march. The best and brightest amongst the far right.


    Conspiracy theorist Dee Wall, aka Dolores Webster, told the crowd that East Wall Says No, who have been protesting against asylum seekers in East Wall, said no to attending yesterday’s rally.


    Wall insisted that today’s event was organised by concerned locals amid concerns about who was behind it


    The event was promoted online by former drug dealer Scott Delaney, who also goes by the name Scott Knight, the son of notorious gangland killer Cotton Eye Joe Delaney.


    Another criminal figure, Wayne Bradley, who was a member of Eamonn ‘the Don’ Dunne’s gang, has been promoting other anti-asylum seeker marches in Finglas in recent days.


    People shouted “f*** them out” after the man’s speech before the crowd marched through the city centre shouting various slogans including “Leo, Leo Leo, out, out, out,” and “immigrants out”.

    What lovely bunch of cconcerned locals. Immigrants out - clearly no foreigners is safe around this lot.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Riddle me this....why can there be countless march after march for Palestine or a rainbow crusade go untroubled but a march by Irish people for Irish people faces counter protest by and get this Anti-Irish Irish...it beggars belief really, and is without doubt funded and hired for



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