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Does anyone regret buying EV?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭Patser


    Maybe, but that key difference of being able fill up at home- even fill up at all - I think will be key. 1st gen EVs had low ranges, so we're bought mostly bybthose who could fill up at home or willing to wait at slow public chargers.


    Still they acted as the thin end of the wedge, and now almost 12 years later there's a recognition that fast chargers are needed, are starting to appear in proper numbers and EVs are hitting at 18% sales.


    Can hydrogen afford to go through a 12/13 year similar cycle to get hydrogen pumps starting to appear. And how many manufacturers are ready to jump to hydrogen. I just feel that ship for mass numbers of hydrogen cars has sailed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    Yep the ICE cars since CV19 Brexit and Ukraine invasion have held their price, Saw an advert for a 2018 Audi A6 S line blk edition going for just under 40k, I got my A6 quattro for less than 40k with less mileage and was only 2 year old.



  • Posts: 0 Jake Short Ram


    I really want one of these.

    I have an EV 2 years now and I can only recommend it. Car is so simple to drive, average 350km a charge for 8 euro. 160 km return commute 2 days a week into Dublin. Don't care about traffic jams anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭n.d.os


    In 2022, we purchased an ID4, which has been a great car for our family. Although it has its quirks, it has been a significant improvement over our old Tiguan, especially for our trips around Leinster. We have never had to visit a public charger, and the car has over 25,000 kilometres on it. I reluctantly bought an Audi ICE early last year as our second car, but I hated it after driving the ID4 and sold it to buy a Polestar after two months. Running two EV's has been a contentious issue for some of my work colleagues and family members, and I roll my eyes at least once a day when someone brings up range, replacing the battery or infrastructure.

    I agree with what most people are saying: once you buy an EV, you likely won’t go back to ICE. What the general public doesn’t understand is how home charging takes the pain out of stopping for petrol once or twice a week and is a very manageable way to keep on top of your daily routine. Although I’ve forgotten to charge the car a handful of times, I just plug in for 15 minutes at an Ionity, and I’m set for the day. EV's are also more relaxing to drive than ICE cars, especially if you’re on the road a lot. I commute 180 km a day a few days a week. I have a 67kwh battery in my car. It's plenty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭Firblog


    Bought a 152 ex demo Leaf24 SVE in Dec that year, 24.5K; still have it, 20K km per year commute. First 5 odd years free charging, night rate @ 13c ish since, so saved a ton in fuel. Range is getting to be a bit of an issue, and have to top up a bit near work daily to be able to get home

    OH got 64Kw Kona bit more than a year ago, loves it; I drove it Donegal/Cork/Donegal last week, and now I love it too :D

    Kicking the online tyres of a replacement for my Leaf at the minute; one thing for sure, it will definitely be an EV.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    I don't regret buying an EV AT ALL......

    Best thing I've ever driven.

    Personal opinion obviously.

    I'm glad I started paying attention to them years ago.

    So I went in having had 5 to 6 years of hearing about EVs been used even on long trips.

    If I was only learning about EVs now the anti EV stuff would have my head melted and I'd feel very unsure what to do.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    I test drove the Q4 back in 2022 and for the price think it was €65k wasn't even as comfy as my A6 and the Q4 wasn't quattro. The E tron is on a different level comfort wise and I've been told that it can go from 20% to 80% charge in 20 mins on the fast chargers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,048 ✭✭✭✭fits


    No regrets, not one. Not even a tiny bit.


    never have to visit a petrol station, car is full every morning. Can preheat it remotely. So smooth to drive. Lots of safety technology I’ve never had in a car before.


    we would never go back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭Bricriu


    Hugely regretted it, and sold it after a year.

    It was a new Nissan Leaf 40 kW. It was beautiful to drive, with superb road-holding.

    But the range was woeful, and any trips over 100 km necessitated serious planning. Chargers away from the motorways were few and far between. Most of them were weak chargers that would take over 6 hours to give a proper charge.

    The seriously limited range dropped steeply in cold weather, as batteries don't like the cold.

    I used to wear a heavy coat and cap in the car, as to use the heating would seriously deplete the already limited range.

    Back to petrol now and that is the way it will stay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭BlazingSaddler


    Bought an ID4 52kw in 2021 and regretted that, I know it was a City model but the range in winter just gave me anxiety! Replaced it with a 77kw ID4 a year later and am over the moon with that. However, I massively regret paying so much money for it in light of the 10k price reductions. In two years time I’m going to be left with a huge balloon payment and zero equity in the car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,277 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    In fairness, buying a 40kW when your lifestyle demands frequent 100+ Km trips was always going to pose issues for you, particularly in the cold weather.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭spakman


    Have a 191 Kona 64kwh and an ICE. Used the kona for ALL my driving up until the past few months.

    I have to drive across the country about once every 4-6 weeks. The kona can do that on a single charge which is great, but id need to stop to charge on the return leg.

    I found that was becoming a hassle, so I take the ICE a lot of the time now - dont need to worry about chargers being in use or broken, and having to occupy kids for 40 mins while car is charging.

    Plus the kona is quite small and not as comfortable as the ICE for long drives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭tommythecat


    Got a brand new Kia EV6 Jan 2023. One year in I absolutely love it. Home charger covers 97% of our trips. With the energia night rate I can charge It from 0-100% for 6 euro. It is also one of the fastest DC charging cars with preconditioning, so even when we do need to public charge it is super quick.

    I have absolutely no regrets. I intend on keeping it a long time.


    Preheating the cabin and defrosting the windscreen remotely while I'm having a coffee on those cold mornings as I look at the neighbours with their scrapers is amazing!

    4kwp South East facing PV System. 5.3kwh Weco battery. South Dublin City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    This idiot consumer regrets going EV...



    If your dumb enough to drop 62k on a car and replace every 12 to 18 months, you're kind of missing the whole sustainable thing!

    Ha!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    VW by the looks of it will long term can the ID.3 and go back to the eGolf. Have eGolf myself and prefer it to the ID.3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭denismc


    The responses to this thread have been overwhelmingly positive towards EV ownership, I guess it was a bit too positive for some people!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,401 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    For me, driving a Model 3 RWD for two years so far has been great. Car handles really well, all the bells and whistles are there.

    I've put almost 50k kms on it and thoroughly enjoyed the road trips and even in stop-go traffic on the M50 it's been better than my old car (but the M50 is still a stupid mess for traffic).


    Not the main reason I got the car, but I've been keeping a track of charging expenses v fuel prices and being conservative (taking electricity prices as high and fuel prices as low), I've saved about three grand over the two years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Nobody I know that has gone EV regrets it. In work we have an Etron 55, Tesla Y, id4 x 2, id5, will be adding Skoda enyaq when they drop their prices.

    I've a cupra through the company and I bought an Etron 55 from my father.

    He never warmed to it but it's more to do with the tech and that he has to keep it clean and it's not a work van! He liked the EV part of it though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    I just wish we could get an electric pickup truck here.


    The US is literally miles ahead if us in this regard!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,841 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Waiting for you to be accused of victim blaming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    This is part of the problem with the frequently one sided EV debate.......

    Depreciation and buyers remorse have been a thing since the car was a thing.

    The difference is that with EVs you blame it on the full group of EV cars.

    Whereas with ICE cars you blame it on a specific model.

    So if you bought a Fiat Tempra in January 1992 brand new and decided in August 1992 that you couldn't live with it.

    Then you'd accept the depreciation hit to go to say a Carina or whatever instead.

    You'd only go to the journalist if there was a fault with the Tempra Fiat were not fixing.

    Rather then the Tempra just not doing what you wanted in terms of let's say fuel economy or maybe your partner didn't get on with the high boot when reversing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Ev fan


    Good point. I had the executive level of the egolf which was gorgeous inside. Also from memory it had excellent software for analysing your previous trips - distance/efficiency achieved etc. Bit of a comedown to go to the minimalist and built to budget interior of the ID3. I assume that VW will be able to maximise space in the new egolf and if they keep pricing sensible it could do very well for them coming as they are from a model with a great legacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    how did you find the crafter, its one of my maybes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,680 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Answer is a definite no.

    On my 2nd full ev. Also changed petrol car to a hybrid.

    When come to change full ev soon, it'll be a 3rd ev.

    #Nevergoingback



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭fricatus


    We are a two-EV household. Can't see either of us ever going with fossil power again.

    I wouldn't even say I've any regrets, but one annoyance is that I wanted to buy a red Model 3 and it was above the grant threshold so about €10,000 more expensive than the grey at the time. So I bought the grey one (and love it).

    However Tesla slashed their prices and if I had only waited six months, I'd have been able to affored the red one. Of course anything can happen after you buy a car to make you regret an aspect of it, and the healthiest approach is to forget about the counterfactuals and just enjoy what you have.

    It took me a couple of weeks of cursing Elon Musk but I'm happy out now, LOL.

    BTW, the BS in the media about EVs is really in overdrive. When we got our first one, the media was like "look at those funny people plugging in their funny cars, bless them, it'll never take off". Now that EVs are 18% of the market and the legacy automakers are struggling to keep up, it's all "One woman's insurance doubled! Diesel is actually cheaper! Oh look at this EV on fire! (totally ignoring the five-fold number of fossil cars that go on fire). This man is going back to petrol after his EV depreciated!"

    All this tells me is that EVs are really upsetting some vested interests. As they say, "you only take flak when you're above the target".



  • Posts: 0 Jake Short Ram


    Thats the issue.

    Any non EV driver always asks the same questions because of the disinformation campaigns of the oil industry


    Does it use more brakes and tyres?

    no I use regen all the time, 55k on the car, original brakes and tyres 7mm are almost as new.


    Do you not fear the range especially in winter?

    no, I have my own equivalent petrol pump at my house, my car preheats, it does lose a small amount in winter but I still have 300km


    Do you fear the cost of a battery replacement because all batteries will fail and are more likely to go on fire?

    no, 8 year warranty, and if I still own the car in 8 years time newer batteries will be so much cheaper, and it won't go on fire!



    According to Dave Watson, chief executive of Ohme chargers: “The cost of making batteries was on the way down, and then a couple of years ago it flatlined, before going back up. Now, last year they’ve dropped by 25 per cent, and they’re going to drop another 25 per cent in the next six months.

    "The big Chinese battery makers might take another 25 per cent off that, so we’re getting down to a point where a battery will cost something like 40c per watt-hour. That means an average-sized 64kWh battery will cost something like €2,500 to €3,000.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,999 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...so second hand ev markets will more than likely remain challenging....

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,214 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It's is unlikely that government will make any drastic changes to tax on existing cars. The reality is an ikder car has taken most of its carbon hit except for fuel. The ideal scenario should be to encourage new EV's and discourage new ICE. If anything tge government is increasing taxes on EV as there price drops to recover revenue it is losing

    Like yourself we have two diesels at home one a 2010RAV that is mainly used as a farm vehicle and a 2015 IX35. Its unlikely either will be changed in the next 2-3 years. The RAV will be changed for similar the IX35 will be changed forwhat ever is the best value whether its electric or ICE allowing for running costs and depreciation as well as capital outlay. Both will be SH buys replacing

    Ya biggest problem.is range in commercial and where a vehicle is used for work. Add to that the weight rgat so.e commercial vehicle's carry or tow. When I buy cattle I might have a 100+mile (160km) round trip at short notice where due to the load any vehicle will use a lot of fuel or charge. While diesel consumption drops by 35-40% I think its as bad if not worse with electric vehicles in such scenarios

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Just to point out, it should be 4c/Wh not 40c.

    Very basic thing for the IT to get wrong

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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