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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Pains me to say it as a Connacht fan but either Kilgallen or Bolton would be a great fit for Leinster imo. Both the type of powerful, abrasive athlete that doesn't seem to come through the Leinster academy. Both are probably as good as it will get in terms of replacing Lowe, at least in terms of power. I can't imagine Irish rugby producing a player with Lowe's combination of power, playmaking, and kicking ability any time soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I wonder would Marty Moore be a casualty of the cuts for Ulster. Can't imagine with them wanting to save money and Scott Wilson coming through the academy that they are looking to offer Moore anything more than a one year deal.

    I know Leo and Moore had a falling out over his conditioning and refusal to slim down but that was 8 years ago and I wonder can they bury the hatchet and get a deal done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I can see Leinster outsourcing for another winger in the future. They have some good players like Jordan Larmour, Rob Russell, Tommy O'Brien, Jimmy O'Brien as well as young players like Andrew Osborne, Aitzol King but I expect them to get another big booted left footed winger similar to Lowe not next season but the season after.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I know Leo and Moore had a falling out over his conditioning and refusal to slim down but that was 8 years ago and I wonder can they bury the hatchet and get a deal done.


    Why?

    It's not like his conditioning has improved and whilst he has some good qualities as a Prop , they really aren't remotely a fit for the game that Leinster play.

    Moore would struggle massively to fit into the Leinster game plan.

    If Moore isn't part of the Ulster plans for the next few years I'd say he could pick up a decent contract in France in one of the up and coming Pro D2 sides that are spending money at the moment , much better fit for his skillset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Leinster have been looking at Tom O'Toole if the Bel Tel is to be believed. Doubt we've any interest in Moore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I think a bokke will come in to replace big Mike. Would probably be inexpensive and buys time for Clarkson and McGuire.

    Aitzol King could get playing time over the next month. I rate this lad and have feeling he could be a fine player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I think at this stage, you are right, it probably will be a Bok but it has been interesting that they tried to get Tom O'Toole. It makes me think would they consider Jack Aungier? They could easily go out and find a NIQ TH but they focused on O'Toole first, why is that? Are they worried about Furlong long term? Are they looking to hold onto the NIQ designations for different positions? Were they just trying to take advantage of Ulster's salary cap difficulties?

    I am probably digging way too deep but has me curious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,944 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I mean, Osbourne is literally all that, plus the ability to play across the entire backline. If he could just get an injury free run...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Probably should have been more clear, I was referring to back 3 players only, which is where I could see either Bolton or Kilgallen filling a gap. I imagine Osborne will primarily play centre moving forward. The Leinster academy isn't churning out many power wingers, more so smaller footballers like Russell, JOB, Keenan, Cosgrave, etc. Aitzol King is probably the exception to the rule, but the Connacht lads mentioned are a good bit ahead of him in terms of first team readiness right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    O'Toole would have been a fine signing. Aungier too. But who would want to come in and back up Furlong?

    If Munster do not sign John Ryan, I would sign him for a year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Not sure about signing a wing. Russell and O'Brien are good quality. JOB would be involved if healthy! What would Kilgannon bring that these lads don't?

    We have good prospects in the academy.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    I think the issue is, or why O'Toole would have been desirable, is it allows for some long term planning.

    THP is a cornerstone position, and even if you could probably find a better player than O'Toole right now on the NIQ market, you really only get one contract out of them, whereas TOT is 25 and a guy you can long term plan around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I think the 2nd Tighthead at Leinster is actually a really good role. Furlong isn't going to play every week so that player will get a lot of game time, They will be working alongside a lot of the starters for Ireland and bench players meaning easier to see a natural fit for the Ireland team if they play well. The likelihood of representing Ireland usually goes up representing Leinster so Aungier might get more opportunities internationally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I wonder if they think Clarkson is reaching that level? I have to say, he's made strides this season. I wouldn't mind Aungier. But he's fairly certain to be starting for Connacht in the future. What does Bealham have left?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I like Clarkson alot but if Furlong was to get injured next season, Leinster are left very very light in terms of top quality. Aungier isn't there either but he is on his way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Very true. But I am really liking what I have seen from Clarkson. It'd be nice if McGuire stepped up some also. I've seen him play for UCD recently and he's been decent.

    I suppose a NIQ is probably on the cards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Speaking of Furlong, he's only got 1 more year on his contract! He could be out the door then. Or a big $$$ offer from abroad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I'm really liking how well Clarkson is developing too but I think that Leinster know their is a year or two gap between when Clarkson and McGuire potentially hit peak years of playing. They probably feel the same about Jack Boyle and Paddy McCarthy. They have Porter long term and Cian Healy (probably for another season).

    Leinster know that they are maybe a good back up tighthead prop away from giving Nienaber everything he needs to succeed in all competitions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I think Furlong probably stays put, He knows his worth but I think Leinster and Ireland will keep him on a central contract and Furlong probably won't push to hard for a move abroad.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    @Dubinusa

    do you know there is a way to edit your posts so that you dont have to quote the same post twice to say what you want?

    Screenshot_4.jpg


    after you post you will see three dots where the post number is (ie in this case its #22735)

    you have the ability to edit the post up to 24 hours after you post.

    im only saying this as you seem to have a habit of posting multiple replies to a post, or multiple times in a row with no quote, so i assume you didnt know about this feature.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I don't think this is true but I heard a rumour that Leinster are waiting to see what happens with the Melbourne Rebels financial situation. They are potentially going into administration which for any club is terrible. If it were to occur, Leinster are planning on swooping in for Tighthead Taniela Tupou. If true, that would be a monstrous signing for Leinster.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    They've already gone into voluntary administration.

    ARU will finance them to compete this season in SR, due to TV commitments, but won't guarantee anything after that.

    TT would be an absolutely mammoth signing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I hope it is true! but I have my doubts. A signing of that calibre would be huge but does it create a headache for Leinster?

    With Furlong and Tupou both considered to be amongst the best tighthead props in the world, who would start?

    If it was Tupou, would Furlong be ok with that? and visa versa? Would the IRFU block the signing as they believe it might stop the likes of Tom Clarkson and Rory McGuire developing?

    If like the Snyman deal, it was a one year (Two at best) deal, then maybe it can be justified but it feels like the IRFU are really keeping a close eye on Leinster and their dealings in the market after Snyman.

    I would have called BS on the rumour right away but Leinster making the call about TOT has me curious with what Leinster are up to in the market at tighthead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Yeah thats not happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I agree with you actually, Very low likelihood it will happen, was just passing on a rumour I heard that I found interesting.



  • Posts: 487 ✭✭ Matias Mango Rumba


    I'd agree with your last line. If Leinster are sounding out IQ TH props, it may be a case that they have not received any dispensation to sign an NIQ in that position



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Potentially. The way I read into Tom O'Toole talks was that Ulster were having some financial hardships and Leinster pounced on the chance to bag an IQ tighthead prop who is an Irish International. To be fair, if Ulster had to shed some players, I think the IRFU would have been perfectly fine with O'Toole to Leinster instead of losing him abroad, but obviously he is key to Ulster's long term plans and is probably untouchable.

    Leinster clearly want a starting calibre tighthead. I'm not saying that Furlong is going anywhere, I'm just saying that they know he isn't a play every match player and they want a 1B to Furlong's 1A. O'Toole would have fit that role perfectly.

    I can't see the IRFU stopping Leinster from signing NIQ players, unless they completely block the route for a high potential player from claiming a Leinster jersey. Even Snyman doesn't block the route of any player next year He is playing the Jenkins role. 1st Lock off the bench, which suits Leinster and Snyman down to the ground because that is when he is most impactful.

    They need a tighthead and if they lose Frawley to Ulster, they will need a Utility back capable of playing all across the back line.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    I would expect that Leinster were approaching TOT regardless of whether they had approval for a NIQ or not.

    He's a good player, only up the road and I wouldn't expect his salary to differ from Ala'alatoa's much. Perhaps even less. He's not from Ulster so potentially doesn't have such a close link to the area so would be seen as someone that could be persuaded to relocate.

    I'm happy that he turned it down though. Ulster have enough problems.



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