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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭ontour2


    Is there any live or recent tracked data on this project? For example, How has the mix of traffic modes on these roads changed over the last two years? How has the average point to point time changed? Have the number of reported accidents in the area reduced?

    It seems bizarre to me that there are good aspirations for the initiative that can be tracked with actual data that can be used to improve this design or future designs. It also tells the story of the journey through the old state to the implementation to hopefully the result in the future.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Such data collection and analysis would be relatively pointless while the project is on gonig, you would have to wait until after the project is finished and has time to bed in, ideally a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭ontour2


    Explain why it would be pointless please? Every change along the way has an impact, it is useful to see the effect of these changes. The data can lead to better delivery of these projects i.e. faster and cheaper. It can highlight flaws in the design quickly so that changes can be made while the builders are still on site, again faster and cheaper.

    You would like to think that we would want to do more projects like this in the future and learn from mistakes. While before and after data is great, it misses the detail and the nuances of each change.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Because it is all a building site at the moment. No useful data could be gleaned from that.

    Of course lessons can be learned from aspects like project planning, management, traffic management, etc. I'd hope those lessons will be used while building out the BusConnects infrastructure projects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


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    Just in gym and come out to this mess. Who are these people that think it's a good idea to drive to that car park at the busiest time of the week? So odd to me that you'd sit there blocking a bus and bike lane for 10 minutes queuing instead of parking elsewhere and walking a bit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    It always strikes me as odd that people go to a gym to get fit but are too lazy to walk an extra 50 metres to get there. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,440 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    What's more shocking is that the owners of those old cars in the picture don't appear to have functional heating fans in the car to demist the windows!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    probably been sat there so long their batteries have died



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    This has been like this for year and years even back when I was a member of Westwood some 20 years ago.

    The overflow is usually full at this time too. The Problem is that Westwood is over subscribed and doesn't have the required parking facilities. which is interesting given the price of the monthly subscription.

    Even still to this day, it's Ireland ONLY 50m swimming pool (Olympic class). If it were to ever close, there'd be a lot of flack. So Westwood seem to be able to do what they want. (Anyone remember Barcode... and all the messing that went on with it?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    there are a few other 50m now, think UCD has one and the national aquatic centre.

    Yes the overflow would probably be full on a Tuesday evening too at that time, I just don't work around this if they're going there at this time. Park elsewhere or don't bring the car. Just a case of collective car brain.

    given the amount they charge and the amount of people that cycle there, their bike parking is a joke, mostly just those things you put your wheel into for them to get buckled.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Sorry, that's not true at all. Westwood has never been an Olympic standard pool. There are 3 Olympic pools in Ireland. Limerick being the first one, over 20 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    It was said before that part of the issue with the Westwood car park is parents dropping off/picking up kids. Could it operate as pick up/drop off only at certain times? i.e. a barrier system, take a ticket to get in, if you leave within 15 minutes, you don't pay.

    They should be told to remove spaces in order to accommodate the cars queuing on their land. If cars are constantly queuing onto and obstructing public spaces, DCC should take action against them.

    You really have to wonder why people are willing to spend so much time in their car in order to go to the gym. This mentality that you have to park as close as possible to the building you are going to really baffles me. People will give up significant amounts of time in order to park closer, it's like they think time stands still when they are in their car; the 1 minute they saved in the shorter walk from the car to the building is a saving but the additional 10 minutes in the car waiting for that space doesn't count as a loss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Took a stroll through North Strand to Connolly. The outbound works are at various stages of completion, some almost done others a while away.

    Interesting to see the level of older pipes, wires and utilities buried at various depths. Another section had exposed huge tree roots and they had dug under them. Hugely complex.

    Just a few pics:

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    There's a bit in Fairview that's almost totally finished, at the Javaholics coffee shop, which is almost totally finished, and it really looks great. From the shop all the way out to the road is done, and around down past the bridge towards the front of the Joeys. Even the planter area along the wall here looks great.

    It really looks top class, if the rest of the finish is this good, it'll be one of the best finished places in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,519 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    I'm far from a Westwood smypathiser but am a member and have kids in creche so plenty of experience in it. A few things to note...

    1. As someone pointed out, the overflow is always full in the evening this time of year, so the the "can't be bothered to walk 50m" comment isn't really relevant
    2. Westwood creche parents do have a pickup, parents are asked to "skip" the queue, essentially drive in the out side of the gate. I've hated this forever, my wife who's a nervous driver hates it to the point she'll park in the dart and hope she doesn't get clamped for 10mns rather than do it. That's what's happening in the photo above. As I said I hate it and WW really need to find a better solution to that.
    3. Westwood have asked the council to make it no right turn outbound into WW. I think this would work better for everyone. Hopefuly council go along with that plan. Same leaving WW should be no right turn to Clontarf. You then have more people using overflow as they know they can't get back to Clontarf easily from the main carpark (granted we already know this is at capacity at peak).
    4. The bike lane should have a yellow box on it to remind drivers they can't stop there. Minor thing but it wrks on roads, might work on cycle paths if samerules apply.
    5. Weekends WW gets worse again, swimming lessons plus birthday parties add to the meyhem.




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Yeah, it's not like they are oblivious to all this either, there's just not much that they can do. When they originally went for planning permission here, it was with a much larger car park. DCC are the ones that cut it down to the current size.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I'm pretty sure there's already no right turn when leaving Westwood. Nobody obeys the sign though. It's been there for years, but not sure if it's currently in place due to the works.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,519 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    I think WW put that in themselves, current ask/proposal is for DCC to put bollards or something down the road to prevent it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    You can see the ‘join’ there where the new and the old meet. They may tidy it up later but there’s a definite ‘feck it, that’ll do’ about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    couldn't believe the amount of cyclists going inbound on this today at around 0830, it really will be worth it in the end



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,298 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


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    In your image of Newcomen Br. (below) I happily note the pipework buried in the bridge. Many many years ago, I was working on a project in the DCC offices (a North East Inner City Renewal project) and somehow during a chat with the DCC lad I was working alongside, I mentioned how some of the pipework went "in" the bridge (as I had often seem them digging to fix something) and he flatly aid I was wrong and all utilities crossing the canal wouldn't have been sunk into the bridge but would have crossed the canal to the side of the bridge. He even got a colleague to back him up and I was made feel like a feckin eejit.

    Glad to see that whilst I may well be a feckin eejit, I wasn't wrong on this particular point!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,475 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    is it no wonder this is all taking so long if the council don't even know where the bleedin' pipes are going



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,577 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    if they couldn't get a big enough car park, why build it there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Hahaha delighted for you to be proven right. When I walked past, the lads were debating what pipe was what, and how they would manage to get around the old pipes... they didn't seem best pleased!

    I'd like to think it was the same lads that told you you were wrong 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    What's class about that is the amount of cyclists in the 22 seconds of the clip. And a shout out to the guy who puts his hand up to the driver. Hopefully his middle finger was up too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Drivers are getting worse.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,795 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Jesus. At least that contraflow driver can see the approaching cyclists they are blocking. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,394 ✭✭✭markpb


    The motto used to be 'paint is not protection'.

    The motto should now be 'paint or slightly raised kerbs are not protection'.

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Two weeks ago on the Griffith Avenue cycle lane, I watched a Porsche drive about 50 meters the wrong way along the cycle lane (yes between the footpath and the raised curbs) to get out of a parking space!

    Loads of folks at school pick up time, park outside of the designated parking spaces, the worst offenders park in the cycle lane. Thus blocking a cycle lane that was supposed to be designed for children to safely cycle to school!



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