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Underrated Irish politicians of the last 30 years

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  • 01-02-2024 11:00am
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭


    Brian Cowen: A huge number of brilliant incentives for the construction sector were introduced by Brian at a time of very low interest rates. These helped the Irish economy to reach previously unseen heights. The Minister for Finance could look out of his office and say 'You've never had it so good". Later, when the economy had a bit of a dip and the IMF had to come in people actually blamed Brian and said he should have thought more long term. It was very unfair. Brian could also down a pint in a couple of gulps.


    Bertie Ahern: He was charged with leading one of the world's strongest economies when he came to power in the summer of 1997. After singlehandedly bringing peace to the north he then made the boom boomier and almost the minute he quit as Taoiseach it imploded, but you could hardly blame Bertie for that. In fact it may have been his departure that caused the collapse. Well known for his straight talking. He was very harshly treated by the media when he honestly admitted to winning a load of money on a horse. So preoccupied with his work was he hat for a long spell he had no bank account and so unconcerned was he with his own finances that he sometimes lived on dig outs from close friends, some of whom he didn't know personally. Drank loads of pints in Fagans and the Cat and Cage.


    Roderic O'Gorman: Faced with a large number of refugees coming to Ireland Roderic skillfully steered the political establishment and the public through choppy waters. As a true man of the people, he managed to achieve a national consensus quite easily and bring the population with him. He skillfully used new tactics like using hotels for accommodation, not consulting with or telling communities what he was planning and relying on voluntary deportations to meet the challenge. The fantastic results are everywhere to be seen. Very rarely seen drinking a pint.


    Micheal Martin: Having established the HSE while he was Minister for Health and been a cabinet minister in a government that lost national soverignity, the confidence of a lesser man would have been shaken. Not Micheal. He would go onto become Taoiseach. Regularly lectures opponents on the weakness of their policies, without any irony. Often seen at Cork matches.


    Gerry Adams: Despite never ever having been in the IRA, he was able to convince the Republican movement to stop bombing England and shooting people. Cruelly denied the Nobel Peace Prize because of innuendo that he had been involved in violence. A brilliant economic mind. Posts eccentric stuff at Twitter and occasionally seen at Antrim hurling matches.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,293 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I think our current Taoiseach working tirelessly for the people who get up early in the morning could also make that list.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Ireland has had exactly zero underrated politicians in the last 30 years. We've had some that were good but never a great one and we currently have the worst politicians ever in power now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Ha.

    The property boom was a good thing now? Thats serious revisionism.

    On a more serious note - I dont think any politician since Dev has been scrutinised as much as Bertie. Therefore, there is not much scope for 'new information' to come to light on the guy. Maybe, there is more scope for people to forget what actually happened and start making up new narratives.

    Because of the cataclysmic impact of the property crash, and because Brian Cowen and Bertie Ahern are so closely tied to it, its very hard to qualify them as being 'harshly treated'. Cowen in particular - Ahern has the redeeming factor of his role in the peace process - Cowen's career was essentially Minister for Finance during the crazy property boom and then Taoiseach as the wheels were falling off.

    Micheail Martin, I'd agree with you.

    I wont even get into discussing the last guy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 578 ✭✭✭gigantic09


    Come all without,come all within,

    You'll not see nothin like Violet Ann Wynne.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    My list is as follows:



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  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭thehairygrape


    Mick Wallace. Very underrated. People consider him a bit of a tool. Disagree. He’s a complete tool.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Padraig Flynn - effortlessly ran a couple of houses, maids and what have you on a meagre salary of 100k, give or take. I tell ya, I wouldn't like to try it anytime



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,942 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Well what do you expect from such a great party,

    An eloquent intellectual, agree me old hearty?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭randd1


    Seamus Mallon.

    Can't think of too many more to be honest.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    For a proper discussion why not put this in the politics thread

    Itll be just 'all of them a shower of w%nkers' type comment here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    To be fair Bertie was seriously good and probably our last politician who had genuine international respect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Enda Kenny



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,087 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Bertie's abilities were certainly underrated, though they are negative ones: being in the right place at the right time, appealing to the common man, trying to gaslight the nation (and still at it) and being something of a chameleon when it mattered most.

    Charles Haughey is supposed to have said of him: "He's the best, the most skillful, the most devious, and the most cunning of them all". 'Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile' springs to mind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Exactly. A proper statesman. Just because he was a good judge of horses people were being mean to him. There's nothing suspect about a Finance Minister with no bank account either, it just shows how cynical Irish people can be that they assume there is. And if his friends wanted to give him money there's nothing wrong with that either, Bertie wouldn't do anything wrong just because people were funding him. Okay, his finances did get a bit complicated, but he was very busy.

    People also forget what a great soccer analyst Bertie was and how nice he was to people who'd say hello to him around Drumcondra.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Yeah little people use those things to pretend he wasn't a very valuable asset to our country on the international scene. They tend to just talk about those things to avoid talking about his achievements and ability.

    Same thing in football. That's why Alex Ferguson is only remembered for things like recalling a bunch of players from Peterborough when his son got sacked, and not really known for his achievements.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Indeed. The little people were a bit quick to turn on Bertie, they didn’t realise the great work he had done for them internationally. Like a prophet in his own land…



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,065 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    It was 3 houses on 150K. You try it sometime (without accepting any bungs).

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 67,285 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Squandered away huge gains for FG with spin and bluster about new politics he didn't remotely deliver. Ended up a liability they had to keep out of debates and public appearances.

    Haughey and Ahern finished me with FF, Kenny finished me with FG



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I don't know if you can really call many Irish politicians under rated as they are very good at basking in their successes.

    I suppose a good example of an under appreciated politician in his time was Noel Browne. History has been much kinder to him compared to his contemporaries.

    Maybe Niamh Breathneach?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Gerry Adams knew his brother was a child rapist and shipped him over the border to Dundalk where he eventually became his election agent.

    He gave the orders to disappear women, bomb shopping centres, shoot people.

    A vile man. Even a lot of Shinners say he gives them the creeps when they meet him. Something deeply malign and off about him.

    His Twitter character is a facade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    He was great on peace.

    Bang on about Hume being made a fool of by Adams and McGuinness.

    Bang on about the border poll and how no one will mention the elephant in room about it. Guaranteed Unionist representation at cabinet and guaranteed seats in Parliament for them will be the price of it. Newton Emerson has danced around it in his columns.

    Dedicated a whole chapter in his final book about his pro-life beliefs though. Disappointing.

    The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,841 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users Posts: 67,285 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    He made a massive career error on the talks that led to the GFA.

    He refused to meet Adams on several occasions while Hume did the first time Fr Alex Reid contacted him. Adams convinced Hume that any solution had to have an all Ireland dimension and include everyone. That was the key to bring republicans on board. The GFA was born out of the Hume-Adams Initiative.

    Hume, finally got something that succeeded (anything he tried had failed up to that point, as had anything Adams had tried) and got the plaudits and I think Seamus was very bitter about that at the end.

    He'd be well down the ratings with most in NI never mind the whole country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Parading Adams and McGuinness around London and Washington and they took the glory for peace while Hume couldn’t get a look-in in the photos. Finished the SDLP.

    Talk to them. End the violence. But don’t launch their legitimate political careers for them.

    The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 599 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    John Hume



  • Registered Users Posts: 599 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Hume did the hard work, Adams took the glory, because he's a narcissistic lunatic, but it was all John Hume



  • Registered Users Posts: 599 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    You ever read Endgame in Ireland??? Lots of great information about the goings on in Westminster and Storming and John Hume had the most unenviable position there could be, and the cover of that book is appropriately Ireland rendered as a chess board.

    Of course the narcissists took the glory


    But John Hume wasn't played by anybody



  • Registered Users Posts: 67,285 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wasn't that finished the SDLP but that's another story.

    Hume did a solo run on the talks with Adams, the SDLP (Eddie McGrady etc) didn't support him. They can't as a political party claim credit.

    Adams and McGuinness already had political careers BTW> In 1997 a year before the GFA was signed, they had 2 MP's to the SDLP's 3



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