Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Well to be fair, it is not just the WSJ making claims against UNRWA. There are multiple investigations on now in regard to the organisation and it appears other sources are cooberating what the Israelis are saying.

Based on the tweets, there's no mention that the reporters have seen the evidence. But the author of the WSJ article, Carrie Ann Lynn is a former IDF soldier and political correspondent for the Times of Israel. She wouldn't be biased though?

CBS are claiming a figure of 190:

The document says intelligence shows that at least 190 UNRWA workers were also working as Hamas or Islamic Jihad operatives, without providing evidence

So is it 1200 or 190?

Seems journalists were shown the intelligence document but not the evidence?

With funding being cut off to the largest provider of support to Gaza, someone needs to present the evidence to justify it.

100% right.

Khan Yunis about 80% freed from Hamas. With the remaining pickets surrounded on all sides and cut off.

Operations to free Rafah expected in 2 to 3 weeks.

Like I said, I'd prefer a two state solution. But there are plenty in that region and beyond that would like one less Jewish state, and one more Arab state covering the entire territory "From the River to the Sea" as they say. A "final solution" to the Israeli question.

It's one of things the Shia Iranians and all the insane Sunni groups all agree on, along with much of the Western Left.

I'm all for a Palestinian state, but only if it doesn't add to Israel's already serious existential problems.

You seem to have an issue with evidence - I pointed out that evidence - it's in this thread. And it's not just evidence from me, it's from others too.

Then you demand that I get it for you - sorry, but I'm not going to do that because, per your statement above, you'll find all the evidence I referred to earlier, if you bothered to look.

If you go back even just a few 10s of pages, you'll find everything you're looking for.

Is this the Likud "from the river to the sea" or the Palestinian "from the river to the sea".

Seeing as both sides use the phrase, perhaps best ignore it as they cancel each other out?

Not exactly, if Ben Gvir and his ilk get their way, there will still be over a dozen Arab-Muslim states and about 99% of the Middle East will still be Judenfrei. If Hamas and the Western Left get their way, there will be Zero Jewish states left when Israel is wiped out.

I really don't think people would allow Israel to be wiped out.

From my own perspective, I don't apportion atrocities to the Israelis as a whole - only to those who perpetrate it. The actions of the far right in the cabinet must be mortifying to most Israelis. Netanyahu is hanging on by a thread.

But many people would tar all Israelis with the same brush. I wouldn't.

Likewise, I don't apportion atrocities to the Palestinian civilians.

Some of those held haven't been charged or the accusations against them are very minor (throwing stones). Some will die.

I read there was one girl held for months for a WhatsApp or telegram or some such post on social media.

Anyone held must be charged and tried or released.

I read today Israeli courts have extended the period they can be held without charge.

Good news if it goes through - hostages released, Palestinians released, increased aid to Gaza and best of all, Ben Gvir resigns.

Source: Haaretz

HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: A framework for a cease-fire/hostage deal between Israel and Hamas includes the release of all Israeli civilian hostages held in the Strip during a six-week cease-fire backed by the U.S., Qatar and Egypt, the Washington Post reported.

• According to the report, Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli prisons will be released in exchange for Israeli captives at a rate of three prisoners for each hostage.
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• The proposal also includes the condition of a non-permanent repositioning of IDF forces away from densely populated areas in the Strip and increased humanitarian aid into Gaza, and may include additional truces beyond the first six weeks, during which IDF soldiers and the bodies of hostages who were killed by Hamas would be released.
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• The number of Palestinian prisoners set to be released in a potential deal has yet to be specified, a senior Hamas official told Reuters.
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• U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivanmet in Washington D.C. with families of Israeli hostages and former hostages.
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• Far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said that he opposes the potential deal with Hamas, adding that "a ridiculous deal means the dissolution of the government." Israeli opposition leader Yair Lapid said that his party agrees to enter the government to replace the far-right Religious Zionism party in order to promote a hostage deal.

"In other words, one way or the other – if a deal moves forward – the [Netanyahu] coalition has slim prospects of surviving in its current form" - Amos Harel

UNRWA: Norway, a top donor to the UN agency, urged countries that have cut funding to UNRWA to consider the consequences of their actions on Gazans. The head of the World Health Organization warned that halting funding to UNRWA would lead to "catastrophic consequences" for people in Gaza.

"The 'meaningless fringe' excuse is dead. In Israel, what looks insane one minute becomes state policy the next" - Dahlia Scheindlin

■ U.S.: Leaders of the U.S. Reform movement, the largest Jewish denomination in the country, said that they were "deeply dismayed" by PM Netanyahu's recent dismissal of the possibility of a two-state solution that would provide the Palestinians with their own state.

Haha I think you're a bit late with that suggestion.

https://youtu.be/0el9wiOBmmM?si=t-l75gsYnl2_yex9

Wouldn't it be great if it would happen and settled this mess but who among the Palestinian leadership wants it and how long would they survive on the street advocating for it.