Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Source:Haaretz

HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh that the group had received a cease-fire proposal emerging from talks between Israel, Qatar, Egypt and the U.S. in Paris and would study it, adding he would visit Cairo for discussions on the plan.

• The proposed deal includes three stages, a senior Hamas official told Reuters. The first stage would include the release of civilians, the second stage would include all male and female soldiers, and the final stage would include the release of bodies of Israelis held by Hamas.
• Earlier on Tuesday, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine reiterated that Israel must halt its Gaza offensive and withdraw before any hostages are released.
• During their meeting in Washington, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken thanked Qatari PM Mohammed Al Thani for Qatar's mediation efforts to free the hostages, and the two agreed to continue to coordinate increased humanitarian aid to Gaza, U.S. State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said.
• U.K. Foreign Minister David Cameron said that the U.K. is considering, together with its allies, to recognize a Palestinian state as part of a diplomatic move to achieve "irreversible progress" towards a two-state solution, the BBC reported.

ISRAEL: During a visit to a pre-military academy in a West Bank settlement, PM Netanyahu said the IDF will not leave Gaza as part of a hostage release deal, and that Israel does not intend to release thousands of terrorists.

• Family members of hostages held by Hamas in Gaza harshly criticized the far right conference calling for the re-settlement of Gaza. Gil Dikman, whose cousin Carmel Gat is a hostage, said: "In the morning you throw mud at each other, and in the evening you dance at an event that only harms us. In Gaza, the hostages do not dance."
• The U.K. Foreign Office issued a strongly-worded denunciation of the conference, saying it was "alarmed" by it, and that the clear U.K. position was that "Gaza is occupied Palestinian territory and will be part of the future Palestinian state," adding that settlements are illegal. No Palestinian should be threatened with forcible displacement or relocation."
• U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken will visit Israel for two days on Saturday, according to Israeli sources.

The best form of defence is attack:

Source: CNN

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Tuesday that Israel “will not release thousands of terrorists,” as part of a deal with Hamas, vowing to press on until Israel’s original war aims are achieved.

And he pushed back at Hamas’s main stated aim in any deal, saying Israel would not pull troops out of Gaza.

“I hear statements about all kinds of deals,” he said in an address to Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank. “So I want to make it clear, we will not end this war with less than the achievement of all its goals. This means, the elimination of Hamas, the return of all our hostages, and the promise that Gaza will no longer pose a threat to Israel.”

Netanyahu said he was committed to “total victory …. And the majority of our nation and we are not going to compromise for less than that.”

The prime minister's comments came as Hamas has said it is studying a proposal for a potential hostage deal and ceasefire but that it wants the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza.  

Being a terrorist targetting civilians is a war crime.

Reality is not a Tom Clancy novel.

I replied to a post going on about the SAS targeting people in Ireland.

The comparison was rubbish.

I note that in your post you did not contest any of the things I said. There must be more truth to it than you care to admit.

Wrong. All that Israeli lying has been exposed.

https://youtu.be/paDjsRkhc28?si=VKAiHoezGj16kwag

There is no crime in eliminating terrorists, and even UN approves it in high profile cases like this one: https://press.un.org/en/2011/sgsm13535.doc.htm

So yeah, I'm quite happy with what IDF did. The world is now a better place with these 3 scumbags discarded.

A very good and enlightening video.-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSff-Ip1kZs

Fun fact of the day. If you pretended that there have been zero casualties in Gaza, and looked at killings of Palestinians in only the West Bank by settlers and military, then a greater percentage of the entire population of Palestinians (percentage of the entire population, including those in Gaza) have been killed by Israel since October 7th than Israeli citizens as a percentage that were killed by Hamas on October 7th.

That isn't even allowing for the fact that it is generally accepted that Israelis killed a non-negligible number of their own civilians on Oct 7th, both through confusion in the chaos and deliberate obliteration of hostages and captors in vehicles traveling back towards Gaza under their Hannibal Directive

None of the foregoing justifies any action, but it is absurdly perverse that you will attempt to call one "genocide" but not the one that is far far greater. Let's put a figure on it - if we assume that the women and children victims in Gaza were civilians, but indulged in the fantasy that every adult male killed was a combatant, then the number of civilians killed in Gaza, as a percentage of the entire Palestinian population, is over 50x the Israeli rate on Oct 7th. If we consider only the population of Gaza, the rate of civilian killing is over 130x

Israeli soldiers speak out -

the fact is , some babies had no heads. Not 40 but no one ever claimed that.

Yeah, because as the politifact article point out, the conflated claim went viral on social media. It was never an official statement though so to use it as an example of Israel lying is incorrect.

the individuals murdered were civilian casualties as they have not been proven beyond reasonable doubt to be guilty of anything, therefore there were civilian casualties.

israel demonises itself all by itself via being a genocidal, racist, apartheid, terrorist state, one of the most evil terrorist states to ever exist.