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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,487 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Yano, I’d almost settle for that right now. Fury needs this win or all of a sudden his record doesn’t at all stand up to proper scrutiny. Win it and hes undisputed and we can really talk about ATG status. Now Usyk in my opinion already has that so the pressure for this fight isn’t quite the same. He has it certainly at CW and if he wins this then also at HW. We can argue away about the standard of the division but I dont honestly think there’s a whole pile in it and the helpers appear to be a little bit more in check these days.

    For me I can see a couple of paths to victory for Fury. He can slow the pace and go with power or he can bully Usyk around and get off quick fire combos. Usyk has to be incredible to win this. I’d love to see it but I don’t expect it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    parker said he was offered a few opponents at the same time, Kabayel and Hrgovic were the other two before the name Zhang was mentioned

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,487 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I wonder why he went for Zhang. Kabyel was gonna be a step backwards that he doesn’t really need. Id be interested to see him again though. That win against a big ironing board isn’t all that much to go by



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    He’s always a fighter to keep an eye on apart from when he fought fa that was garbage

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,487 ✭✭✭squinn2912




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,289 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I just watched the Lewis vs Holyfield 1 fight again and it honestly has to be the biggest robbery I have ever seen. I tried to give as many rounds as possible to Holyfield but the best I could come up with is 3. I wouldn’t argue with 12-0 Lewis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,487 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Yea it was a dreadful decision. Second fight was very close and much better. I had it Lewis by a whisker



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,157 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I had Lewis a clear winner as well. If I recall from the time, the issue/criticism was the big Lewis kind of playing it safety first against the clearly smaller and past his best Holyfield. Folks wanted to see the bigger man really stamp his authority in terms of power and destruction. That did not happen, and Holyfield competed, albeit being well beaten on points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,487 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Aye there was an argument for Lewis winning quite clearly, it being tight but def not Holyfield winning it. Lewis built up a bit of a lead, Holyfield bossed some middle rounds and Lewis coasted home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,157 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    George Groves confident Usyk win. I think the reference to “form” is telling. Something I am thinking as well

    “I think Usyk wins, I think he’s in better form,” Groves said. “I know people are attacking him a bit for the [Daniel] Dubois performance but I thought he was very, very good. Usyk was in full control and stopped him. Usyk will take Fury out of his comfort zone, Fury’s a big unit and he carries a lot of weight and if Usyk makes him work harder that he used to then it’s going to be a tough night for him. Usyk builds into a fight and each round he cranks it up. I think he’s in better form, I’m going against the natural size of Fury, and I’m picking Usyk. I think he wins quite comfortably.”


    Source: George Groves' Expert Prediction: Usyk To Beat Fury “Quite Comfortably” - Boxing News (https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/george-groves-picking-usyk-to-beat-fury-quite-comfortably/273629)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,487 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I just dont see it and I wouldn’t be especially impressed with Groves’ as a pundit.

    I watched some of the second Joshua fight and there were a few times Usyk looked in trouble. Not quite crisis but big enough problems. Joshua didn’t quite press the advantage home and Usyk remained that bit elusive. Fury is better than Joshua at what Joshua was trying to do and it nearly worked. Fury has better hand speed and footwork and he doesn’t have the mental baggage of any losses. Joshua was at all sorts of silliness in the lead up to that fight. Playing chess (my guess is that he just about learned what each piece can do) and nonsense like that. Fury will be himself and comfortable at that. Usyk was less than impressive against Dubois. Dubois even for himself was awful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Groves and froch will say anything to grab a headline these days

    they both said Aj was finished and now they are hanging off his pecker again

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,157 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Froch…

    “How good is Tyson Fury? What’s he ever done? Who’s he actually beaten? He obviously beat Klitschko in a bit of a stinker. That was just an awkward, horrible performance where he just got inside Klitschko’s head and messed him up with that jab.

    “After the Klitschko fight, Fury had those three big standout fights with Deontay Wilder. But how good is Deontay Wilder now? He looked awful against Joseph Parker. So now you start questioning him. Is Tyson Fury actually what we thought he was or has he been flattered by the lack of opposition. We don’t know but we’ll find out when he fights Usyk.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Andy Lee reckons Fury will win

    am i doing it right?

    Froch was outclassed by the one world class fighter he fought in ward, he is famous for beating groves twice ffs, he nearly lost the first one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,956 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Jonny Nelson saying yesterday he's heard Fury's getting turned over in sparring,

    Could be nonsense but Jai Opetaia only sparred him for 5 rounds & then headed back out to OZ to finish his camp for a fight on the same card , That sounds kind of odd but Jai's camp have send it was because all Fury sparring partners are south paw & they needed orthodox work ,

    Jonny did also say later in the same interview word on the street is Francis will knock Aj out so maybe he was playing up just to hype the fights,

    Whole fights rests on Fury's legs are they gone or not , We'll know inside 2 rounds ,

    Usyk was hurt badly against DDD & AJ so he can be got , He's no Floyd he gets hit with big shots ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,956 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Lets be fair Froch was a fantastic fighter & Ward is a proper great ,

    The Groves fights are miles away form the ones that made him famous ,The Jermain Taylor fight 5 year prior to Groves is what made Karl famous , then Kessler cemented him ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,157 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Froch was a great fighter. Fought everyone, and had some very solid wins against class opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,157 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Other than the low blow, I don’t think Usyk was badly hurt by Dubois.

    Fury’s legs are key, as you say. Something I think could be a deciding factor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    they arent though you ask joe soap who carl froch beat and 99 out of 100 will say George Groves (in front of 80,000 at wemblah) he also lost to kessler as well, Froch was good but i dont think he is in a position to question Fury. The reality is when Fury faced an all time great he beat him, when Froch did, he came up short.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,956 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    It wasn't a low blow in my opinion , he tried the same trick v AJ when he was struggling & Gassiev ( although that could be the wrong fight )

    Basically multiple times in his career, he has tried to call low blow whens hes struggling ,

    Yep Fury's legs are the decider & we will know within two rounds maybe even one if they are gone or not ,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Johnny Nelson hardly has a direct line with the fury camp, they all sign an nda when they go into camp

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,157 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Any price released yet by TNT sports PPV?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    I don’t think the tv situation has been announced yet

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,157 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, maybe bit early. I assume TNT will carry it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Yes I’m guessing it’s going to be the same as last time with the Saudi fights

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    What if Usyk's legs are gone?

    What if Usyk's and Fury's legs are gone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,956 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Harsh on Karl he fought a different level of great ,

    Wlad had 3 losses before Fury ,Ward had never lost a fight & never did ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,956 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,157 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Spot on. Wlad was very close end his career. Carl fought a prime great Ward



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭reclose


    To be fair to Froch I think the context behind the Fury comments were based on Wilder being beat fairly easily by Parker. Wilders resume is thin, I don’t buy Ortiz being a top win.

    Parker winning that fight lessens Fury’s resume.

    Klits timing was gone by the time he fought fury, Wlad was hesitant to throw the right and missing with wild left hooks in the fights prior to that.

    Fury needs the Usyk and AJ win to be considered the best of his era.

    If AJ fights and beats Wilder and Fury loses to Usyk, is there much difference in their resumes then?



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