Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Like the Israelis have done multiple times??

Israel makes Russia look like a bully taking someone’s lunch money while it’s committing mass school shootings.

Not really, people want Israel to adhere to agreed norms of armed conflicts. We trade with them, other western nations actively fund them. It is not unreasonable to expect them to act within the rule of law and behave like the functioning democracy they claim to be.

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Under international humanitarian law (IHL), all wounded and sick - no matter what party they belong to - enjoy general rights to be:

• Respected (not to be subject to attacks, killing or ill-treatment).

• Protected (a right to be assisted and shielded from harm against third parties).

• Searched for and collected.

• Cared for without distinction based on grounds other than medical ones."

There is no need for the deliberate dishonesty. You aren't a zionist spokesperson (that we know of) so there is no need to act like one.

Nobody is calling for extrajudical murder of defenceless people in hospital beds.

It's not the false dichotomy you present - "well if you don't want me to indiscriminately pulverise residential blocks of women and kids with missile strikes and yet you also don't want me to summarily execute people lying defenceless in a hospital bed in an area I have effective control over, then sure what can I do atall atall".

I've been trying to get that same logic through to them since the start. They just refuse to see the truth.

This thread:

Something (an unverified tweet, a random article by a random journalist) that makes Israel look bad: "ABSOLUTELY THIS SHOULD BE ACTED ON IMMEDIATELY!!! HORRIBLE EVIL ISRAELI ORCS! BOMB ISRAEL! (yes, someone suggested that)"

Something that might make Hamas look bad: "Welll... there should be a full, detailed, lengthy investigation, we wouldn't want to rush to any conclusions... Like, Israel should've taken rape kits from the dozens (hundreds?) of women who were raped but didn't during a crisis, and did a bad job of handling the corpses, yadda yadda"

I probably should have directed this towards "Donald Trump" or Timberrrr, the one who keeps spouting Quds/Hamas/PIJ propaganda, but the simple fact is that anything on the Quds News Network is likely to be an inversion of the truth. So far as I am concerned, anyone who uses them as a source for anything really isn't credible, to put it mildly.

The facts are clear: Israel, like Ukraine, is in an existential struggle. Russia wants the Ukrainians dead or Russified, and the Iranians and many of the Arabs want the Jews dead. Both cases are not about some piece of territory or some desired compromise, both are likely to be fights to the death.

Both of those situations can only be dealt with by force and so far as I am concerned, anything either Ukraine or Israel has to do to ensure their own existence is fine by me. Of course, I would not be "happy" about collateral damage as some have suggested, but in the absence of an amicable resolution ...

2 things.

This conflict is not a war between 2 nations. Hamas is not a nation-state, has a seat at the UN nor has diplomatic relations between other countries or institutions.

This is an asymmetrical conflict, that is Israel and the IDF are engaging a terrorist outfit that fights using civilians as cover, has no regard for civilian casualties, is embedded in Gaza under certain ministries and fights in the shadows.

Essentially you want Israel and the IDF to follow the rule of law, (whatever that is) by fighting an enemy who we all agree is not bound by any international laws, treaties and agreements.

If this is the do you concede the fact that

a) This makes it almost impossible for Israel to conduct any operations against Hamas.

b) Makes Hamas immune to being targetted.

c) Hamas is operating outside all the laws of warfare.

Israel's claim to be faced with an existential struggle is orders magnitudes lower than Russias identical claim

Your gaslighting attempts are no good here.

Perhaps, but the original question thus remains unanswered.

How should the IDF conduct its operation against Hamas in reality (Not Tom Clancy video games)?

Do you concede the fact that Israel is right to go after Hamas? If so, the question remains as to the How and Means this is done.

How?

Gives us a synopsis of how Israel can win without having to bomb Gaza or target Hamas operatives in special operations...

Links to military experts who know what they are talking about, would be helpful here..

So you think Israel should commit war crimes? Why did they execute them? Why didn't they take them away and put them on trial?

I see you didn't even attempt to answer my fairly basic question, but the line above is rubbish.

Conspiratorial rubbish too. The IDF aka Jews are bloodthirsty etc, the enjoy killings, blah blah blah...

We all know that the IDF possesses enough firepower to erase every single Palestinian from the map in about 72 hours. If their goal and agenda was to kill them all, why have they not done it?

Rubbish.

When the IDF deliberately goes on a rampage, starts to burn families alive and beheads people, rapes scores of women and takes them hostages, then perhaps one can compare.

Hamas are just like ISIS.