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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He’s amazing at one man hyper aggressive accurate (barely legal or just legal enough) cleans that are probably quite highly prized by coaches.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    POM's handling is very good. I think, even when he would have been in low form, it was never his ability that was at question. He was always there for the big moments also. His consistency and general workrate just seemed to lack at times in the past (great handling, but he'd take hold of the ball twice. Good tackling but he's make 3 tackles etc).

    He fits perfectly into our gameplan at the moment. I slightly worry still his game will fall off in the next year but that's a fear on what might happen as opposed to where we are at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Any thoughts on a 6-2 split, folks?

    Assuming the starters from 4-8 stay Beirne, Ryan, POM, vdF, Doris, you then have Henderson, McCarthy, Baird, Conan and Prendergast all competing for 2 spots on the bench.

    Meanwhile, we don't exactly have a glut of back-three talent, given injuries and retirements. One of Nash or Stockdale will start on the right wing, Nash likely ahead right now.

    So do you then value Stockdale at 23, over getting an extra player out of that list above onto the bench?

    Frawley at 23 covers 10, centre and full back. Ringrose or JGP can cover wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Henshaw's a difference maker at #23, a guy who can step up with big plays and be prominent when the going gets tough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    I actually think Larmour will start at 14, with Nash fighting him for it. Stockdale won’t be near the 23



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,367 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    For me the answer to these questions are:

    McCarty, Baird, Conan 19/20/21

    Nash starts

    We go 6/2 with Casey and Frawley on the bench



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    I was leaning that way too (possibly Prendergast instead of Conan), until I was reminded about Henshaw.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,367 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Yeah, henshaw form has been poor apart from the last game.

    France have gone 6/2 against us the last two times, including the 30-24 score two years ago in Paris.

    They will likely go 6/2 again, and I think we need the power game to counter them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Baird is particularly well suited to playing the same role PTSD played for SA - getting up high in the line using his athleticism and looking to make big tackles. He might not look quite as good playing another coach's gameplan. Although there's no reason he can't keep getting up to steal lineouts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
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    Larmour has been in very good form at the right time, I think he might get the starting jersey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,661 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think it's a stupid approach to the bench. It's far too vulnerable to coming undone with an injury, and I'd question the value of it's supposed benefits. We haven't needed it at all my point in the last 2 seasons when we've beaten everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    To your point, the name of the game for me will be the bodies that we can launch into rucks.

    Last year in the Aviva France engineered at least two scores by using their own cleaners to trap tacklers in the ruck. Outside of that, their power was largely matched - we defended their maul and never really offered much purchase to ball-carriers in contact (recall Ramos resorting to a drop goal at one point). Their single try was that wonder score by Penaud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    It's a simple question of opportunity cost for me. Since I was reminded of Robbie Henshaw's existence, I am now not sure his omission is justified by having an extra lock or back-row forward to come on. If Henshaw wasn't around, and you're weighing up a Conan/Baird/McCarthy vs. a Larmour or a Stockdale, it gets a lot tighter (all, imo)



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,367 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    France in France is a different beast to France in Dublin, this why I referenced the 30-24 result. They unleashed a power game then which had them 15 points ahead at one stage in the second half. I expect the very same in Marseille, for them to go 6/2 and I think we need to match it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Ah yeah, French rugby 101 is to really front up at home. Though if I recall, we somewhat gifted them one... possibly two scores from terrible exits?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Talking to a French fan today, he is hugely confident because Sexton is out but also he said he watched Crowley v Bayonne and v Northampton

    his opinion is Ireland hasn’t a hope if he is playing 10, he feels he is not big enough and France will target him, plus his kicking game is poor and he won’t be able to move France around which is what the Irish pick will need to get away from a head to head battle which the bigger French players will win


    Agree or disagree but that’s a view from France (FYI just one fan)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,095 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    I wouldn't be concerned about Crowley's kicking or his defence but interesting to hear a French pov.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    I've never thought Crowley was a liability in defence. Plus Lowe is going to be back for a lot of our defensive kicking.



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  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If Crowley is a liability in defense then we are screwed because he’s probably the best of the bunch when it comes to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I wouldn't be concerned about him not being big enough (and I'm not sure he is particularly small for a 10?).

    We've seen plenty of brilliant defensive involvements from him. Game in the tackle, he seems to rip the ball surprisingly frequently for a 10, regularly involved in choke tackle attempts and he's even showed up with the odd jackal, and indeed big ruck involvement. We also know he's well able to carry hard (thinking the sit-down on Harry Byrne).

    I'd go as far as saying he's our best 10 from a defensive stand-point, his superior pace maybe edging him ahead of RB in that regard.

    I can understand that someone who has only seen the Bayonne and Northampton games may think his kicking came is poor, but he's had some excellent kicking in plenty of other games. The Italy warm-up game iirc, and the URC final in particular come to mind.

    Away in France is no easy task for what will only be his 3rd start? But I'm pretty excited to see how he goes.



  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Alessandro Vast Numskull


    I dont really understand the size thing is he not about the same size as ntamack and bigger than jalibert?



  • Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Alessandro Vast Numskull


    Im not sure hes much smaller than sexton either



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,367 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    meh

    France will most likely start with Jalibert and Lucu, with uncapped Le Garrec on the bench....... which is a significant downgrade on Ntamack and Dupont, with Lucu on the bench.

    Jaliberts positional kicking game is not his biggest strength (that would be his ability to stand flat and pick holes)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    Yeah, I think we're getting very down on our own prospects for this game. France are in a surprisingly similar position to us. Both are just off the back of a very good run of form and performances that lead to a disappointing world cup, and both are without a really pivotal half back.

    The home/away aspect is obviously in their favour.

    In a way it might be one of those nice "nothing to lose" games. If we win, amazing. If France come out on top, well It's france at home and we're without Sexton (and Hansen & JOB etc). Plus we then have Italy at home to bounce back against.



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Everleigh Freezing Oasis


    I'm not too worried about his defence, he is small but has a lot of physicality, but I think the sentiment here is probably correct.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,367 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    crowley?? small???

    hes bigger than Jalibert and about the same size as Ntamack.

    Hes young and has some muscle to put on, but "small" is not a adjective id use to describe Crowley.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wonder if it would be smart to start casey with crowley. they have built in chemistry from playing together and i think playing with a young 10 is almost detrimental to JGP’s game. Also, honestly Casey has been great this year while Crowley hasn’t really been that amazing.

    That’s assuming they are going with Crowley. JGP is also the perfect 9 for a 6-2.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Like I said about the SA game in the WC, if we go with a 6/2 split we are playing right into France's hands.



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