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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • #13232
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,256 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121660284#Comment_121660284

    At that time people thought the heavyweight scene had digressed from the 70's/80's but when you look at the fitness, skill and endurance of the heavyweights in of the 90's/early 00's we have been going steadily backwards in the last 20 years. Guys nowadays couldn't last 2/3 rounds at that pace.



  • #13233
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662742#Comment_121662742

    Yea in ways the view of the 90s was a bit skewed because Foreman was knocking about still but it was a very good time in HW boxing. Interesting that Lewis was at his most effective when he was slower, heavier and staying behind the jab. I think Fury and Usyk would give any of them from that era plenty of trouble. Joshua might not be a world champion but he’s not now either and again he’d be a big player in the division. Wilder would KO plenty of them too. Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe et al would be all big players today as well but I think the upper level would have a bit of a mix rather than all the 90s guys at the top just as simple as that.



  • #13234
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121662742#Comment_121662742

    I wonder why that is ,

    Strange all the 90's lad where muscle bound brutes with little to no body fat,

    Now you only really have AJ who has that body type, even Wilder who is ripped doesn't have the mass,

    Look at Evander for god sake , remember the whole Evan Fields episode


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  • #13235
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,256 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121664553#Comment_121664553

    True but the 50’s to 80’s guys were all fighting at a much greater pace then they do nowadays too. I think a lot of it comes down to the fact they were fighting more regularly and training all the time. You can already see the improvements in the likes of Parker from just fighting regularly.



  • #13236
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    something to wet our appetites, be quick because no doubt it will be removed by youtube

    https://youtu.be/du94sRofifU?si=5KiRZ6TZjRAIGiza


    The internet isn’t for everyone



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  • #13237
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,970 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121670615#Comment_121670615

    No one that wears an earring can defeat the gypsy king.



  • #13238
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671147#Comment_121671147

    Almost as silly as Usyk saying he’s been training for fury since he beat klitchko

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • #13239
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,471 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671147#Comment_121671147

    Quality from Tyson that one



  • #13240
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Both very calm and composed. Nothing to suggest that either has anything but supreme belief.



  • #13241
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,471 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671837#Comment_121671837

    Yup. Never really bought into the mental side. This fight comes down to who is sharpest physically. Fury’s feet need to be sharp and fast. If Fury is sluggish and heavy on feet I think Usyk really capitalises



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  • #13242
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    I think the only fighter that reacted to furys wind ups was wilder, he just wasn’t able for it at all and turned up to the press conference with headphones ffs

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • #13243
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121671952#Comment_121671952

    I think they’re both very mentally tough. Old school fighter types. Hmm I know your point yea but Fury still has very good handspeed and obviously the power. He can fight SP and O too so the Usyk gameplan for Joshua wont necessarily be as effective



  • #13244
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672016#Comment_121672016

    I’m not sure about that. Fury has a great way of playing another fighter. He got under Wlad’s skin, he took the venom out of Whyte (yes I know Whyte isn’t great anyhow), Wilder, Haye for sure. After that they’re all turkeys he knew he’d beat.Ngannou similar to Whyte be full of praise and respect.



  • #13245
    reclose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭reclose


    Fury talks awful bollox.



  • #13246
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672805#Comment_121672805

    That God fearing is pure garbage. He should have been called out on all of the insults. To call Usyk a gappy toothed ugly little fucker is letting himself down. Christian my ass. You either live that life or you dont and that is bullshit



  • #13247
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    All the talk is just to build up interest and get headlines, I’d rather have an exciting fighter talking absolute trash rather than dubois v joyce

    it’s best not to read too much into it or take anything said seriously, the religious talk was likely to fill the void of silence between the two

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • #13248
    selectamatic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,176 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121672163#Comment_121672163

    Whyte was a shell of himself.

    Fury's words/psychological warfare had little to do with removing any venom he had.

    Getting knocked into next week by Joshua and Povetkin coupled with 3 tough fights in Parker and chisora I and II had him well shop worn by the time he was in with Fury.



  • #13249
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673263#Comment_121673263

    Well Whyte was on a good winning streak from Joshua to Povetkin but that stopped him in his tracks. Fury was very moderate in that build up and Whyte just hadn’t the same bite about him. He was only ever ordinary like as well. My point is that Fury knows what strategy to adopt for different fighters. Getting in Wilder’s face was a different one that worked too.



  • #13250
    selectamatic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,176 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673428#Comment_121673428

    Absolutely. Ordinary with a decentish chin that got cracked over time and an ability to throw decent hooks to the body and head. He's overachieved in his career by quite a bit in all honesty.

    Vast majority of his wins are against pretty ordinary and aging opponents too. His Parker win probably the standout.

    I must have picked it up wrong I thought you were attributing whytes poor showing to Fury breaking him mentally or something before the fight. Whereas as ya said above he was only ever ordinary and aging at that point too.



  • #13251
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,256 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Lads, Whyte was always rubbish. A pure Donkey even at his so called peak. A bluffer, spoofer and a 3 time doper who somehow made a fortune in boxing.



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  • #13252
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121673466#Comment_121673466

    Yea its all matching too. If he’d got that shot with Wilder then who knows. He’d have been a live opponent for him. I dont think Whyte is as bad as is sometimes is made out. 2 wins against Del Boy are notable also. I think he was a justified top 10er or even top 5er.

    Aw no I was just saying that Fury took the right build up approach with him in contrast to Wilder. Same with Wlad. He didn’t perform well with Ngannou but he didn’t try to rile him either, wisely.



  • #13253
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,632 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Fury would have destroyed the best, doped up Whyte.



  • #13254
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,970 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    So who's calling who lads.

    Fury for me purely because of the difference in size.

    If they were both the same size I'd be going with Usyk.

    Both intelligent and plenty of tricks up their sleeves.

    The one thing Usyk won't be able to do is bully Fury and lean on him.

    Fury on the other hand can if he needs to.



  • #13255
    reclose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭reclose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121676009#Comment_121676009

    I’d agree with this. Fury has two ways to win boxing at distance or rough housing.

    I can see it being a very ugly fight. I hope Usyk finds a way to win it.



  • #13256
    reclose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭reclose


    i never bought into the Whyte hype. He was well promoted by Matchroom.

    he was top 10 at best but was never gonna beat the top guys.



  • #13257
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Think I'm slightly edging Usyk purely because I have doubts about where Fury's mind is at. And you would have to wonder has the best Tyson Fury come and gone.



  • #13258
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Well lets put the Whyte debate to bed lads the point was about Fury anyway.

    For the big one I have Fury but I’m really rootin for Usyk. I think the biggest factor could well be the referee as was the case with Wilder. If the ref allows long clinches and leaning, spoiling, draining then that’s a big advantage for Fury



  • #13259
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    18/1 the draw

    4/5 fury

    6/5 Usyk

    im going with fury for this, a good biggun beat a good littleun

    i think fury has enough in his arsenal to change and adapt to the obstacle that’s Usyk, we know he can fight at range and he can come forward applying pressure with heavy shots and he can also rag doll Usyk and fight dirty if he’s allowed by the referee

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • #13260
    Robert Nairac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭Robert Nairac


    Edit: Wrong thread. Ignore.

    Post edited by Robert Nairac on


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  • #13261
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,471 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Intriguing clash of styles. Both men capable of victory. Will be very close I feel. I’m leaning with Usyk for few reasons.

    both have keys to victory: Fury, being able to find, trap and impose physicality/punching on smaller Usyk is key. To do this, his feet need to be quick and clever to trap Usyk for long enough periods to allow him go to work

    Usyk: needs to be very mobile, fit and fleet-footed. But also, in and out punching and scoring, never allowing Fury a rhythm.

    Usyk wins because I think Fury’s feet and footwork will be laboured and ponderous, allowing Usyk time, space and scoring chances.

    I don’t think Fury will look great in 3 weeks.



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