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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,463 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    After the convention I assume the VP would be bumped up the ticket.

    If it was before the Convention then anything could happen there as the Trump delegates could vote for whoever.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,959 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Even if you're to reject the term rape.(Fyi, such a crime would be classified as a rape here) It's still a violent sexual assault that you and other Trump supporters seem all too willing to ignore. What does that say about you and his supporters?


    I'd say the fact he doesn't pay any of his lawyers is the biggest factor. Also all those cases against those lawyers for arguing tenuous claims that defamed people, that's their own fault. They pushed Trump's conspiracies and it's backfired on them. Do you think lawyers should be above the law?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I really hope Hailey stays in the race and gives her reason, "To keep Trump honest".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trumps brained struggled at working here: “your clime… Your clime… they call it climate”




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I seem to recall some talk about such things 4 years ago and it was along the lines of it could be changed to anyone right up until election day purely based on what that party decides on and however they want to pick. Dying between election day and inauguration I think had some other procedure, but have a vague memory that it didn't automatically bump the VP nomination up to president as it would actually need the States to each declare who they were voting for on the equivalent of January 6th and there wasn't any formal procedure figured out for that scenario.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,667 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Even then they wouldn't have a chance. Kim Il Sung is the eternal president of North Korea. His prominence in North Korea hasn't been too badly diminished by death. That's how it is with cults of personality. That's likely how it will be with Trump.

    Most everyone else in the Republican party is a career politician. A stuffed suit. A few may be close to Trump's level of crazy but they fundamentally lack his charisma - "the brand". Nobody else in that party has that mixture. Trump may be completely odious, but he is also completely unique. For the Republican base to accept another leader, their values and principles will have to change. I don't see that happening any time soon. Their current attitude has been 30 or 40 years in the making and Trump is the most pure expression of it yet. Why would the base accept anything less?

    If Trump goes, I think Don Jr takes over. He'd conduct speeches with huge big red banners behind him, his dad's scowling portrait emblazoned on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Those who would be likely to assassinate are probably all on his side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,667 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Haley were to drop out after New Hampshire, how would that rank for quickest time that a non incumbent had essentially won the primary?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭francois




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The milion dollar question would be: does she fancy her chances or is this shadow play? Not like she was nipping at Trump's heels but stuff like her response to Trump's senile rant about "Nikki Haley" at the Jan 6th riots might be a hint she's not done yet...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Jesus, that's a mental image that's hard to scrub



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,962 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    It’s a phrase used to suggest that only conservatives are real Americans, it’s mainly to lie to their own stupid supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    Is it too much to ask to avoid discussing assassination attempts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Full blooded? Dog whistle much? Do you also get 'the fizz' when you see 14 words?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Getting back on Topic.

    The big question for today is "Will Trump testify in the E Jean Carroll case" ?

    He has been saying that he definitely will , but he's generally full of sh!t and has said he was going to testify several times before across his many court cases but at the last minute he chickens out or actually listens to his lawyers and doesn't.

    However , he no longer has anyone even approaching the level of competent in his legal team , so he just might do it this time. Alina Habba and Boris Epshteyn aren't going to try to explain to him why it's a terrible idea , that's for sure.

    It would be utterly catastrophic for him is he does though as he is incapable of keeping his mouth shut and so will only give the Jury even more reason to bury him with punitive damages . He may also earn some other penalties from the Judge for contempt if he doesn't stick to the rules.

    Should be fun either way - If he chickens out, his excuses will be hilarious but if he does testify then that will be manna from heaven for Haley and/or Biden to use against him , because he WILL say some very stupid/awful things as he is a very stupid/awful person who can't keep his mouth shut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,667 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The thing about Habba is that she isn't just some bimbo Trump picked up off the street who was chosen for her looks rather than her legal knowledge. I'm not saying her background is the tip of the top, educationally or professionally, but surely to God good enough to know how court proceedings work. So I don't think she's trying to admit evidence to court at the wrong time or move for a mistral out of sheer ignorance, but more that she's just doing her part in Trump's world of political theatre. It's all about playing for the base than the judges. Trump is no longer playing within the system which he and/or his backers seek to upend.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think it's a bit of both to be honest.

    Trump is clearly using the trial(s) as a PR exercise and is simply looking to discredit them completely so that when he loses (and he will lose) he will already have pre-wired his followers to ignore the outcome as yet another "fraud" committed again the glorious MAGA movement.

    Habba is absolutely "doing what she's told" in terms of the repeated requests for a mistrial etc. but I also think she's an appalling lawyer who is so lacking in legal experience and confidence that she is completely unable to manage her client even a little bit to stop him from doing more damage to himself.

    He has people like Habba precisely because she's a crap lawyer and has no experience. Because anyone with actual experience and/or legal reputation to protect, runs a mile.

    Tacopina is generally considered to be an average lawyer with a fairly thuggish reputation but he's actually been in court before and won cases - experience Habba doesn't have , but even he had enough nous to know that he had to get the hell out of Dodge before it all blows up in their faces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,103 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Then at a minimum she should have her license pulled. She's wasting the court's time with her attempts to submit evidence improperly. Remember she was just some local NJ nobody lawyer with no meaningful credentials. Project 65 should put her on their list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    I'm guessing you don't mean native Americans? 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,667 ✭✭✭✭briany


    She isn't *trying* to manage her client, though. It's not about that. Trump is way past damage control at this point. That's no longer a real concern. He thinks his position gets stronger the more legal pressure gets put on him, so more cases and more chaos are welcome. All part of the show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,887 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    in fairness, two of their presidents were shot, in a relatively short period of time.

    Furthermore, Trump has enflamed and normalised violence.

    While i think it unlikely, it is hardly irrelevant

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,103 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    No one should be calling for it though. No matter how loathsome a candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,887 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Was there someone calling for it? Must have missed it.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I know she's not trying , but the reason she's not trying is because she's not very bright and isn't a very good lawyer.

    Because if she was either of those things , she would be trying (or leaving the team) , that's the point.

    She's still there doing the things she's doing precisely because she's a crap lawyer with no career to lose (or aspirations to have one it seems).

    All of the relatively speaking "better" lawyers have left because they were unwilling to engage in Trumps games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,254 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'd concur with the "doing as she's told" bit. I suspect any lawyer foolhardy enough to actually take on Trump would likely find themselves simply acting as a proxy for Trump on the bench. There would be no advising Trump on points of law, or possible strategy. Trump would decide, and the hapless council would have to go out there plead on the basis of whatever stupid idea Donnie wants to use today.

    The whole "you can't have a trial because of my mother-in-law's funeral" trick Habba brought out smacked of something Trump told her to say. The fact that she stupidly repeated the request in the same hearing somewhat indicates that Trump told her to ask it again.

    Whatever legal intelligence Habba might or might not have is likely overridden by the *stable genius* trying his hand at being a Law Talking Guy himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,959 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You want Trump to be president, so you want a man who has committed a sexual assault to be president. You've gotten hung up on the term rape so let's say sexual assault but let's consider, Trump committed a sexual assault and has consistently attacked his victim. This is the kind of morally reprehensible character that you think should be POTUS?


    Instead of addressing the above (already responded with similar to you), you're getting hung up on a pretty innocuous discussion in scheme of thing. Nobody is calling for it or anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,887 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,387 ✭✭✭dinorebel




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,672 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Rudi has fallen on hard times and had to cancel his data plan and home broadband 😉 So now he's taken to wardriving to get online😁



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