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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Seems the replacement for the A50 as arrived but there are operational changes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The fact that they didn't ground the aircraft says something,

    By the way who jinxed Boeing we know the Russians are bad but who thought flying on Boeing aircraft lately is turning a little Russian



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It says the Russians know it was shot down and didn't randomly crash. Furthermore if the tweet is accurate and they are flying them over Russia and not near the front line, they must be confident it was shot down by Ukraine. Be easier to replace an AA operator or issue new directives than place your AWACS further from the front line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Of course they know it was shot down,

    They did it themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So why not just replace the AA operators? I won't even ask for your source that the Russian's shot it down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭vswr


    If it were the Russian's, it demonstrates a lack of IFF capability, system security, and huge co-ordination issues. Replacing an AA operator isn't going to fix any of that, and those issues aren't being fixed any way fast. So you take the valuable target out of the grey area.

    If it were the Ukranian's, it demonstrates a previously unavailable SAM distance, or A2A capability. Naval capability is also a very tiny possibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    This wouldn't be the first time Russians shot down their own plane though. It's obvious they have issues with IFF. Rather than loosing their main asset, it's easier to tell operators (or just the one who alleged to have shot it down) to avoid the big radar target flying behind the frontline! Ukrainian fighters don't be flying that high.

    If it was the Ukrainians, based on the radar track Ukraine provided, a PAC-2 missile is within range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,363 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Does the patriot shoot any other missile's which could reach the new flight path? I'd love if Ukraine we're given two more better missiles to have another go. One more of these lost Russia wouldn't risk anymore close to Ukraine they'd become useless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And if you think that the winter here is bad now....




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,085 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    In the early days of the war I watched this thread quite closely and I also watched the various YT videos on Ukrainian updates daily also.

    I haven’t really watched anything in a while but I did watch the latest kings and generals video on YT this evening and it seems the war doesn’t seem to be going to plan for the UAF?

    It looks like a stalemate with marginal Russian gains in the last few weeks maybe?

    How will this work for Ukraine with a potential change of government in the USA and a potential lack of funds for the war plus the fact Ukraine are talking about mobilisation now for 500k people to keep the fight going.

    IDK it looks a bit like a miracle is needed to beat an enemy that has absolutely no regard for its own soldiers that it just throws into the meat grinder to try and overwhelm the Ukrainians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The new flight path is too far for anything even in the US arsenal to reach via a land based system.

    If Ukraine shot it down, Russia may keep their AWACS further away, if the Russian's shot it down, once they identify the errors and correct, then they would more than likely be flying closer again. I've yet to see any evidence the Russian shot it down by mistake or otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    There was a program on TV the other night, and by God, it was a revelation!!! From the time Boeing joined with McDonnel/Douglas they seem to have gone downhill, with all the focus on making cash the primary aim and function. To put it mildly, quality control seems to have become non-existent. Be interesting to see how Boeing compares with other plane manufacturers when it comes to manufacturing defects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Pretty much patriot is best of the current bunch,they are not designed for long range interceptions I believe they end up being at risk of getting intercepted themselves or interference from electronic counter measures, there is systems like THAAD and Davids Sling which are designed to intercept ballistic and icmb type weapons at higher altitudes it's possible they could be repurposed but they are alot more expensive and not hundreds of them available to give away .

    But Ukraine still has it own fighters capable of intercepting and downing Russian aircraft like the A50 and Il22



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Bad week for them between the blow out in Alaska, windscreen crack off Japan and and an engine fire last night,add the other issues with the 737 max , something is going wrong somewhere with QC ,

    Doesn't seem to effect military aircraft but then most Boeing aircraft are flying decades with the US airforce ,vs newer civilian types



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 Otagepingi


    Ukraine means outskirts in Russian. I mean the west of the Ukraine, where pro-EU/US sentiment is stronger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 Otagepingi


    A bit like if IE had welcomed in the Nazis. Churchill woulda wiped Southern IE off the face of the earth.

    Russia views a US-run UKR as a existential threat, rightly or wrongly. It is a clear red line for them, and has been flagged as such for the last 25 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,914 ✭✭✭eire4


    Ahh Comrade sure we would have been fine so. Given Donegal is the most northerly country in Ireland we could have all just popped over there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The presence of Nazis in Ukraine has been greatly over exaggerated by Russia as one paper thin pretext for invasion. Nazism doesn't bother Russia at all. If it did, their top mercenary group probably wouldn't have been called Wagner, nor would its late Co-founder have had tattoos of SS insignia.

    As for influence on Ukraine being a red line, has Putin ever considered that Russia could have better held on to it by not being such a shttty, corrupt country who offers little hope of economic growth to its vassals? You'll notice that every former Eastern bloc country now in the EU/NATO has little to no interest in leaving and joining EEU/CSTO (lol) instead. They know where their bread is buttered. Russia should tend to its garden. It'll catch many more butterflies that way than trying to machine gun them down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Field east


    I wonder are we aware of all the significant fire outbreaks in Russia and how many outbreaks are there per one million of population ? Outside of the fire-bombing of potential refugee centres I guess Ireland have experienced about one equivalent major outbreak every three years. So at 5m of a population that would mean circa .07 major outbreaks per year per one million of pop.

    And so if Russia has 20 major outbreaks per year and with a pop of 150m, that would make it .133 outbreaks per 1 m of pop .

    That would mean that there are circa twice (1.9) as many outbreaks in Russia than there are in Ireland. The only overall difference the high % of the outbreaks in Russia that are military related



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2


    There was an item on Sky News this morning about the Brits. testing a new laser AA weapon. Costs only £10 to take down a plane. Israelis have something similar.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2


    Off topic (or maybe not)

    biden.jpg


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Just like Chechnya and Georgia, I suppose? And currently Bashkortostan? Oh my!!! Big bad evil U S of A...... again!!! Biggest existential threat to the Russian Federation is Putin and his friends. And not only to the RF, but to the World, all of it. And make no mistake, he would play the same game with China, except that China would not take it from him, as the west has done for far too long,,,China is not fooled by his nuclear threats. Matter of fact, China has actually reverted to re-naming places in Russia that formerly belonged to China, with their original Chinese names.....and guess what? What did Mr Putin and Friends do or say? Nothing!!! Absolutely nothing. While Ukrainians doing the same thing in Ukraine, replacing Russian names with Ukrainian ones, brings howls of outrage on Russian TV. even the usual Nuclear threats from Mr. Nuclear Man himself, Medvedev.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The Americans and Germans and Swedish have been working on them for years too ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    edit: I don't think he's "hedging bets" any more (!), the phone calls are over for now + have been for a while.

    They are still one of the larger EU budget contributors. EU contributions are often omitted discussing European countries aid to Ukraine, and comparing it to non EU members.

    So if Hungary continues to block future Ukraine aid through current EU mechanisms and other member states decide to go around them (rather than facing them down e.g. trying to remove their Council veto), France will be an important source of funding for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I remember Poland before they joined the EU, and now several years after membership, the place is transformed. After Brexit many Poles had to leave the UK (in their thousands) none or very few returned. Plenty of employment in Poland now. They're building up their military in preparation for a war with Russia, which they see as inevitable, and soon they will have the strongest military in the EU. Now that should be a bigger worry for Putin, but he believed after Crimea (and Georgia, Chechnya etd) without any major backlash from the world, Ukraine would be easy pickings. There's a post here on boards a while back, in which Putin is claiming the parts of Ukraine he presently occupies as " The Conquered Lands" (or words to that effect) Which was what he was planning all along as part of his empire building fantasy. NATO, Nazis, Evil West etc. were never any threat to him, but he used the words very effectively, especially in Russia. Even now, with a decimated army and a collapsing economy, he still seems to think that he can still achieve his fantazy. And while that's very doubtful, he has (unfortunately) the capability to kill many thousands more, and still cause massive destruction. He's one right evil bastard! 👺



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Eager Chinese recruit!!!!

    Before and After.... LOL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    375,000 Russian troops dead.

    Like, wow.

    That needs a minute to process cos fúcking hell that's some charnel house and perhaps in the abstraction of this war we forget just how many have died for Putin's gamble. Closing in on half a million people dead - and all that they got was 20% of a country they're barely holding onto.

    For reference, IIRC barely 8,000 US soldiers died in Afghanistan and Iraq combined in the early 2000s. Russia has nearly hit the combined military deaths for the UK in ww2, and not far off America's own tally. And all this in a country a third the population of America, an approximate fourth/fifth of the EU.

    The fields of Ukraine will do well by the fertiliser Putin donated to that country - though you also wonder how much of a future health problem all those (presumably) neglected dead bodies might cause to the water table etc.



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