Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Of course yes, and there's nothing to say they don't contribute to society in other ways too. Besides, if we went down the route of judging them solely as a net loss to the economy, we wouldn't allow a single asylum seeker or refugee in.

Come on Malin, we both know you copied that from somewhere.

Perhaps they are making money on the back of refugees or maybe their on the benefits train or maybe even that gullible

immigrants do contribute. But what we have now is not balanced. we are overwhelmed. it’s ok to admit that. No amount off taxpayers money is going to fix this not even in 10 years all its causing is division and resentment. Services that are already under savage pressure are been crucified.

A bit of all the above I would suggest. It can't be denied either that there is probably an element of racism or xenophobia going on with some of the objectors at least (perhaps just plain xenophobia....they don't even like white Ukrainian people). There seems to be a strong hint of Nimbyism too and it's the easiest thing in the world for them to be nimbyist when they are discussing non nationals i.e. "those people don't even belong here".

The apparently unsatisfactory conditions were raised by a few and then it got legs. I assume that organisations who’s’ brief included rights issues , etc, etc, joined in to add weight to those trying to change the situation. To me it was a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. The Direct Provision may not have been perfect but a bit of tweaking here and there - each centre could have been reviewed separately to see how it could be improved while at the same time keeping the system in place - might all that was needed to make significant improvements.

A similar thing happened with the BEDSITS a few years ago. The gov closed them down while there was no clamour of any decibel level to do so . The vast majority of bed sitting tenants were quite happy with their lot given the pertaining rents being charged. It was the proverbial start of the accommodation crisis that pertains to today. The whole thing started by few PC individuals later joined again by organisations in peoples’ rights to a better standard of living eg each tenancy to have its own toilet, etc. BUT if the Gov was consistent it would not have wards in hospitals with six patients in it and sharing one toilet

Of course I did. I told you I can't copy and paste.

Indeed...see above. Someone is copying you...from the past. It's like that movie Tenet.

I'll leave you off. Catch and release...

Got it, thanks.

Why is it awkward Jack. Awkward for you to read maybe

Evidently not 😂

It does remind me though of a mate of mine who warned me that I shouldn’t let my son play with Muslim children because ‘they would try and convert him’…

I didn’t have the heart to remind her that had it not been for the Irish Missions to Africa, she’d be just as likely to have been Muslim 😏

(for context: we’re both Catholic, my mates from Uganda)

Last week Irish Independent journalist, Sinead Ryan, claimed on the Tonight Show that there’s “zero evidence” residents of asylum centres are "a danger to anyone”, just like Neale Richmond, she the fear expressed by local people was “entirely misplaced”, accused those who protest outside asylum centres of being the real danger.  

Facts. Crimes committed by asylum seekers staying in DP centres took place in 2023 alone. Keep in mind that all disturbances or incidents reported that have not gone through the court or that required gardai to attend the centers haven't been included.

• Nov/22 Gardaí confirmed to Gript of an investigation relating to a violent incident where a brawl between several male residents of the Wicklow Hotel DP spilled out onto the streets, causing concern among locals.
•  Jan/23 - A riot broke out between residents at the City West asylum hub in which a subsequent IHREC report flagged the Muslim period of Ramadan as a “flashpoint” for unrest. “serious incident had included “the use of knives, chairs being thrown, and other assaults”
• Jan/2023 - Six arrested in connection to a stabbing incident which took place in a Killarney hotel DP genre 
• May/23 a Georgian national – who authorities initially thought was Russian – appeared before Naas District Court bit a female Garda and attempted to ram a security guard with a vehicle after he was denied entry into the City West.
• July/23 Algerian asylum seeker charged for stabbing victim multiple times on Grafton St.
• Aug/23 Georgian asylum seeker, Ramazi Nalchutsrishibili, stabbed a fellow resident in an “unprovoked attack” at a DP centre in Bray.
• Oct/23 a Zimbabwean man wanted in connection to a triple murder had used a false name in order to claim asylum in Ireland. 
• Nov/23 Judge ‘not impressed’ with Zakarik Titouah, asylum seeker who stole from OAP's and after arriving in Ireland two months earlier 
• Nov/23 - An Egyptian man was brought to Wexford General Hospital following an alleged stabbing incident in a DP Centre in Gorey.
• Dec/23  Clare FM reported that asylum seeker, Khaled Hamama (23) assaulted causing harm to another DP centre resident in Miltown 
• Dec/23 Algerian asylum-seeker assaulted Garda and DP center manager, spitting a mix of blood and saliva in the Garda's face

Examples of asylum seekers convicted of crime in 2023:

• Pakistani asylum seeker jailed for 6 years for raping vulnerable, former partner beside their sleeping baby. Claimed to be fleeing due to “serious political unrest and fears for his safety”
• Eritrean asylum seeker accused of sexually assaulting two women, said he was ‘trying to make friends’.
• A Pakistani 'predator' who came here from the UK in 2018 and was granted refugee status despite a previous conviction in the UK from 2014 for sexual assault, violently raped one woman and tried to lure a second to his car in Sligo, jailed for 10 years. The reason he applied for asylum is due to his appearance (ocular albinism... he said is was “bullied and ostracised.”
• Afghan national charged with murder of a Romanian woman, a sex worker who was only in the country 6 months, in “vicious and frenzied attack” in Limerick
• Eritrea Woman who posed as a child (UAM) refugee charged with attempted murder of social worker. It was established that she was aged 24.
• A Congolese asylum seeker broke into the room of a patient and began masturbating in front of her leaving her ‘scared to scream’. In 2021, he was charged after a confrontation in a DP hotel for having a knife, and threatening to leave "blood on the floor". He's lived iin DP since 2014. This is the same lad who blamed his food being spiked with "sex tablets" for exposing himself in front of people at the Mount Trenchard DP center in Foynes in 2019. He got on that.
• Algerian asylum seeker in temporary accommodation in Cork jailed for sexually assaulting a 21 y/o woman. The victim who had been previously sexually abused as a child, attempted to take her own life. After the attack.
• Moroccan asylum to be sentenced for false imprisonment and assault of former partner after leaving her “covered in blood”
• Eritrean asylum seeker charged with sexually assaulting a female in a local bar, in Derry. He had traveled 'extensively' in Europe before coming here.
• Algerian asylum seeker charged for the sexual assault on a young girl while she played kick the can in Dublin park, in Ireland for 4 years & had no financial means.
• An Algerian in the country 11 months charged for the 'extremely violent' unprovoked attack on two women in Dundalk. Before coming to here, he spent 11 years in the UK.

I could go on but the examples are endless from 2023 alone.

I think it’s fair to say Ryan’s “zero evidence” claim fails to hold water. It's also safe to say that she will always find work in a failing Irish media. She even said she thought every resident Roscrea should be given a copy of Paul Lynchs ‘Prophet Song’, a dystopian novel or a leftist soft porn, depicting a mother of four trying to save her family as the “Republic of Ireland slips into totalitarianism.” I find it sinister that a journalist for a mainstream media outlet would so brazenly lie live on TV and was not instantly called out. And people like her have the shameless gall to accuse others of misinformation?

Evidence of individual crimes is seen only after they are committed! If there are no official statistics kept on a certain demographic group, then you will find no evidence about that foreign group committing any crime! When a crime is committed by foreign nationals and they are charged, they hide such important information, when they fail to mention the identity or origin of the criminal, we get 'Kildare man', 'Man', or 'shop worker' which is always accompanied by a stock photo when the crime has been committed by a foreign national. It has become a theme.

Sinead Ryan's claim is false.

You're deducing that problems with services have been caused by 'too much demand'. But how do you know? It's just as likely government is to blame by simply not providing enough services. Also, this narrative bizarrely seems aimed at getting the current government off the hook and claiming immigrants are the problem.

Heard or copied???

I heard it on the wireless radio Gatling. I thought they had overcooked it to be honest but thanks. It was some law lecturer in UCG yesterday. She did not specify if it was all healthcare workers or just doctors.

So you are still avoiding the question...should 100k Ukrainians be sent home?