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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    There are militant groups based in Pakistan who launch raids in Iran, and I guess Iran are trying to show that if the US, Israel and Turkey can launch cross border strikes so can we



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,161 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    It would be extremely foolish to expect that someone in Gaza who has lost a family member because of IDF actions to say ' Ah that's alright, carry on'. People would want Justice but not get it from the Israelis and of course would turn towards Hamas in order to get retribution. To think otherwise would be very foolish. This is why the ranks of Hames will swell rather than diminish as many posters have already stated.

    The Israelis created Hamas and are now ensuring that it stays and actually grows. Amazing that they don't see this .... or maybe they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Sorry, I’m confused now as the post I quoted was the one the other poster referenced.

    Edit, I see he has now again referenced the same post I did so on this rare occasion I might actually have understood this correctly lol. No doubt next time I will mess up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    If you want to know who the specific poster is was then, yes, as I am happy that’s the case as presumably are the other posters who thanked that particular post of mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Indeed.

    Here's some medicine, enjoy it before you starve to death or we blow up you and your kids.

    Israel doing their best to create a famine.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    For the avoidance of doubt I am not accusing you of supporting Hamas.

    I state this in case it’s me you have in mind in this post!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    We’ve been over this.

    Many other people (inc many Gazans) would blame Hamas. See evidence previously posted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israeli press not impressed.


    Haaretz is behind a paywall. I believe there is a method (archive) to retrieve these articles.

    Here are a selected few lines:

    "It was very lucky for Israel that South Africa chose to accuse it specifically of genocide, a crime that's almost impossible to prove in court. Or maybe it wasn't luck, but necessity. After all, that was the only way to force Israel to show up promptly at the International Court of Justice, in the hope that the court would issue a few provisional orders with teeth.

    But South Africa thereby gave Israel a golden opportunity to rise up in photogenic outrage over the accusation that Jews – Jews! – are committing genocide, and so divert the discussion from all the other atrocities it is perpetrating in the Gaza Strip."


    "Israel's Army Drafted and Armed Thousands of Settlers. Accounts of Their Violence Are Piling Up"

    "For Arab Israelis, Even Wartime Patriotism Is Not a Shield From Unvarnished Racism

    One would imagine that if failing to support Israel during the war would damage Arab-Israeli women's careers, then, conversely, those who support Israel's cause would be rewarded, not punished. But this week's news about TV personality Lucy Aharish shows hostility toward Arabs crosses political lines"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭dmcdona



    No - you didn't and I know you didn't. But others did. And they know who they are.

    There was a rake of posts accusing me of supporting a poster who supported Hamas. Bad faith posters claimed I directly quoted that poster and then linked me to supporting them and therefore Hamas. Those posters then effectively told me to butt out of their conversations - whilst equally feeling privileged to butt into anyone else's conversation of their choosing.

    You are not one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,161 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Well the Gazans didn't bomb the Jordanian hospital or any other hospital or kill 10,000 children or nuns or Press etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    "Is it me or is it you?"

    As well as the military situation getting worse by the day and other countries getting involved, the legal situation for Israel continues to rack up too.

    The fact that all these actions are against Israel is indicative of the rest of world finally waking up to what Israel is doing and saying "enough".

    The rest of the world also sees clearly through Israeli lies - "military action is being wound down" vs "Residents of Khan Younis in southern Gaza say they have faced one of the most intense nights of air strikes since the start of Israel's offensive."

    And all through this, the civilian population of Gaza suffers - particularly the 10,700 children.


    "On February 19 – that is, in a little over a month – the court will once again convene to discuss Israel. The UN General Assembly asked it to do so. The full name of the requested advisory opinion is "Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem.""

    Source: Haaretz



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,606 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It seems like a lot of hot air from them. Did they make this sort of threat when the US military were were carrying out drone strikes against threats to their national security in Pakistan? What is the difference exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,606 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://archive.ph/5HGxe

    And still some posters can't bring themselves to criticise this cretin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,984 ✭✭✭jmreire


    ....

    Post edited by jmreire on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Looking at some of the posts here, should we be worried about certain posters crossings the boarder to the North to rape, mutilate, kill, kidnap, record their crimes and stream them to their supporters? Or do these posters only care about conflicts on the other side of the world?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,606 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    And, as you know, had Hamas not had a great day out on 7th Oct then the IDF would not be in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    And if the Brits dropped a bomb on your house and blew your legs off because they thought that those posters lived in the house beside yours, would you think they were right to do it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    And that’s the very reason people didn’t vote for Sinn Fein in the republic during the troubles.

    Post edited by Potatoeman on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,984 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Thanks Nacho, yes wrong thread, but its removed now.i



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    They don't need to be in Gaza to kill Gazan civilians:

    April 2018

    "Israeli soldiers opened fire on a gathering of thousands near the border between Gaza and Israel, ultimately killing 18 Palestinians and reportedlywounding some 700 more. The demonstration was organized to mark "Land Day," an annual commemoration of Palestinian civil resistance, and video evidence has since emerged indicating that at least some of the protestors gunned down from a distance on Friday were either carrying no weapons or actively fleeing—or both."

    And if the IDF couldn't get their kicks in Gaza, they have always been able to sate their thirst for killing in the West Bank or watching on as the Jewish Settlers killed civilians to steal their land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,671 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    If you mean I quoted you quoting them, that's not true.

    Not have I accused you of supporting Hamas. I've said that you're not describing what actually happened earlier.

    Unless of course you mean someone else entirely - but since you said I had a poor memory when I said previously that I'd never said you replied directly to the Hamas supporter, I suspect it's me you meant. But I never said that.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,161 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You do know that it didn't begin on Oct 7th though. Over 50,000 Palestinians had died at the hands of Israel in the years after 1947, many murdered just for being Palestinian and long before Hamas existed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Says the poster accusing me of butting in to a post not addressed to him...

    As you would say, "okaay"

    In other news of Israeli atrocities in The Occupied West Bank, indicating they have no preference where they kill Palestinian civilians:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,671 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    If you're alleging I said something I never said, why wouldn't I "butt in"?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Well, I don't have a single instance of you accusing me of butting in.

    I actually have three:


    "At which point you jumped in with a complete irrelevance"

    "You jumped into an ongoing conversation"

    "discussion that you jumped into."


    Feel free to deny it and not apologise for now accusing me of accusing you of something you didn't do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,671 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    That's because you did though - it wasn't a case of two posters discussing you, and lying about you.

    Big difference.

    And BTW, there's no problem with you joining in a discussion. The thing was that you seem to have misunderstood what the conversation had been about, and went off on a bizarre side track.

    And then took it thick when your misunderstanding was pointed out to you.

    And here we still are.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Dr. Greenthumb


    Exactly, the US / Nato set the precedent for bombing in other countries, without permission, as an act of self defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    For those who counteract any argument in favour of Palestinians in Gaza with:

    "They voted for Hamas and therefore are Hamas"

    You might read this for a balanced perspective:

    "The 2019 Gaza economic protests, also called the We Want to Live protests[4][2][1] and the 14th March movement,[2] were a series of protests held in the Gaza Strip in response to high costs of living and tax hikes. 

    The protests were met with violence by the ruling Hamas, which dispatched security forces to disperse protesters.[4] Several human rights organisations and political factions have denounced attacks on protesters by Hamas security forces.[4] The protests were described as the most severe anti-regime protests in Gaza since the Hamas takeover in 2007.[2]"

    Source:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,502 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    As admirable as your attempt at nuance are, the usual suspects are just going to launch into accusations of Hamas sympathy, anti-Semitism etc. etc. They don't care about Palestinian suffering and don't even try to make excuses for their position.



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