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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    ...so the Green party are not the people you should vote for if you want environmental policies implemented. They don't seem to be able to get things done...apart from implementing taxes on products and services with an inelastic demand curve.

    Greens have somehow acquired the perception in the public mind of being who you vote for if you care about the environment and this needs to be wrested away from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,011 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yeah it's all the Green's fault.

    Nothing at all to do with Dublin Bus, ESB Networks or Dublin City Council Planning Department.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,652 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...we re all stuck with trying to move from fossil based economic activities, to otherwise, nobody truly knows how to do this, without potentially causing some sort of serious economic problems, this of course includes green based political parties, theyre equally lost to, and no, taxing and indebting the bollcoks outta of people wont work, so, its back to the drawing board....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    The Green directed spending on EV buses at the expense of a multitude of other equally worthy causes without getting their ducks in a row and should be rightly hammered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,011 ✭✭✭✭elperello




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    Green Party - high on sometimes mis-guided aspirations, low on practical competency. They don't deserve my vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,652 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...again, you do realise 'all' political parties are struggling with this, nobody truly knows what to do here, none of them, i.e. all governments and political parties are gonna struggle and fail to some degree on doing so.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    But the Green Party is effectively a single issue party, and they can’t get that single issue right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,652 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...so people want them to resolve all environmental issues, and in the typical short amount of time a government exists, thats rather interesting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Easily. Many jobs ago I worked in O'Connell Bridge House and one day they had to run the entire building off the backup generator. Size of a shipping container and must've been rated well into the megawatts..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,652 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...had one running my neighborhood one day, bloody impressive....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I would see no reason why they would not, but then you would would have to multiple the time needed to charge by the number of buses, so the diesl required would be the same required to charge each bus.

    The whole basis of the posters point of it being more efficient to take an energy source, convert it to electricity and then draw that energy to power a bus is nonsense to begin with. The more energy convertions of a source the less its efficiency becomes. It`s no different to using electricity to create hydrogen and then expecting hydrogen when burned to provide the same energy, or more, that went into the hydrogen production process.

    It`s in the same realm as believing in perpetual motion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    To be fair it is the sort of implementation balls-up that all parties do. My personal dislike of the Green party is the spiteful watermelons and cyclists it has to pander to rather than its actual enviornmentalist wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If the opinion polls are within a country mile of being accurate, then that is not the perception in the mind of the public of the Irish Green Party.

    Those polls have high percentages showing concern on climate change, while political opinion polls have the Irish Green Party polling within the margin of error. If the public have concerns, then they do not have faith in the greens to do anything to lessen them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    take it on a issue by issue basis: other competent ministers would not have allowed the transport authority money be spent on buses with no charging capabilities. I didn't buy an ev until I was sure it would "work" for me. somehow that step in the purchasing decision process was left out because the greens have their heads in the clouds. hybrid buses of the same design could be making a contribution now and an ongoing basis for the rest of their economic life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,516 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Those State bodies act on Government policy. EU level policy too. So they are not to blame.

    Both need to be reigned in massively. And the only way to do that is to wipe out the Greens at local, national and EU level.

    The message must go to the heart of policy formation, that people are sick and tired of the myopia, that only seeks to force the economic and societal costs of climate adaption on those that can least afford it.

    The approach needs to be flipped. We need to start at the highest hanging fruit, energy generation and waste reduction. Then, and only then, when there are cheaper, easier and more convenient alternatives available for all, will we ask those living basically hand to mouth, households and small businesses, to adapt.

    People, humans as an evolved species, do not de-evolve. We do not regress. People will only make a change for three reasons. That something is cheaper, and/or faster, and/or better.

    And the Greens are to be the sacrificial lambs to catalyse that new approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,652 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...oh theres no question of incompetence within the party, but that goes for all parties, politics is a messy game, but blaming the greens on everything environmental is rather childish, these issues are extremely complex, but again, nobody actually knows how to truly transit away from the dead stuff....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭ginger22


    The thing is if you can't make practical sucessfull improvements the the best thing is to do nothing. AFAIKS all the greens have done is to make things more expensive for the ordinary consumer with no benefits to be seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,652 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    so all governments and political parties should simply do nothing!

    and again, nobody knows how to ideally move away from fossil fuels, nobody....it has taken us centuries to build up this level of complexity, it might take us another one to truly transit, thats if we can actually do it at all....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    I think the problem is that the toxicity of the cyclists and the watermelons dominates the Green Party now. They’re getting free rein because FF and FG know that while they continue to allow Ryan to announce pointless cycleways all over the shop, he won’t pull the plug on this government.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    No. It’s the Greens themselves who want to “resolve” all these issues, but they won’t when all they care about is C02 and bicycles to almost the exclusion of all else.

    Most people don’t want them within an asse’s roar of any issues! The less they touch the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,652 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,011 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I don't know exactly who is to blame for the implementation of the electric buses but having those buses is still a good policy.

    The title of the thread suggests that it's about policies but 1000 pages in it's just a platform to vent about the Green Party.

    Fair enough if that's what people want. There are threads dedicated to giving out about other parties too.

    Just by the way, what's a watermelon apart from the obvious 🍉 ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,011 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Someone made a blunder along the way and we ended up with the stopgap generators.

    It's not the end of the world and those buses will still be running when the Greens are gone.

    The air quality in Dublin will be a bit better.

    The GP went before and we didn't enter a nirvana but who knows next time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭?Cee?view




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,011 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    But refreshing and very healthy too 🙂

    We used to buy them from roadside stalls in the US.

    Seriously though is that some sort of conspiracy theory that the GP are some sort of closet commies ?

    I genuinely never heard of it before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Think it’s more of a humorous nickname than a conspiracy theory. Most likely comes from the Green’s socialist and totalitarian point of view i.e. tax the plebs and tell them how to behave.

    Theres a few nuts around here who refer to parking as being the storage of private property on public land - that sort of student politics nonsense gets the watermelon moniker



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,011 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Thanks for the explanation.

    Whatever it is it all went over my head.

    I never regarded myself as a pleb anyway so maybe I don't need to worry.

    I have had a few discussions about that silly attempt to re-define parking and call it storage.

    Most of the discussions generated more heat than light.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It`s not so much the very amateur incompetence on the E.V buses that would have us laughing at a 3rd world country and even suggesting that corruption was involved. It`s the incompetence from a government Minister`s department who sanctioned and paid for those buses and could not get even the most basic requirements right, expecting people to believe their plan for electricity generation when they not only do not have a clue as to costs, but also this idea we should become the world leading light in hydrogen production for energy storage.

    On their record when it comes to levels of complexity they, and we, would be in all likelihood be better served if on the ethical guiding principle of doing no harm they actually did nothing.

    The Irish Green Party do not give consideration to complexity, or much of the practicality of many of their proposals as to their affects. It`s all based on an ideology, and a particular ideology of their own at that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



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    Translation: “They neither sow nor harvest, but they always know better.” from the German farmers protest.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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