Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

You must know they have money hidden to claim this. ^

Have you brought your information to the relevant people? If they haven't done anything about it then they are failing in their remit.

Unless you can point to back up for this.it is just the same scaremongering we heard before. The article says that they 'have concerns' as any sector would. It mentions nothing about 'not investing'.

Is nobody investing in

Denmark

Portugal

Austria

Belgium

France

Netherlands?

There is bound to be some data on this.

2) How long have we had a housing crisis here? Is there info available on how the current and previous governments housing policy has deterred FDI or caused corporate flight?

3) You might be de 'stabilised' by the change, but there is no reason that change should cause general instability.

I think, fair play to SF for taking their policies/intentions to international business and allaying their fears. That's is a very responsible way to proceed.

I agree with this and I think that is what you will find has happened in the countries listed above.

I think it would be a rare individual who would upsticks solely on the basis of a loss of some income.

As you say, balance is the key and most people are fine if things are balanced and equitable.

The misrepresenting what is being said begins.

Nobody compared us to Portugal for FDI.

The challenge was clear. There are countries that have higher personal taxes than us that have no discernible problems with companies refusing to invest or with people taking flight.

If these things are discernible then I cannot find evidence of them. It's up to those claiming these things will happen to back it up or stand accused of plain old scaremongering.

Why are you avoiding providing the data from the countries listed?

Higher taxes do deter people, as does societal problems, lack of housing or medical infrastructure, that is a given but as another poster pointed out the key is achieving a balance.

Those countries listed have found a balance because there is no discernible problem with FDI or with employee flight. If I am wrong simply point it out.

You are wrong and its been pointed out by multiple posters.

If you honestly believe that raising income tax for higher earners is going to be a positive for Dublin and Ireland and wont result in job losses and a reduction in FDI investment, especially amongst the larger MNCs, most of whom manage large global employment footprints, then I dont know what more to say to you.

But, hey, you are entitled to your opinion, as are we all.

did you read the post? The poster was insinuating that SF have other income they dont put on their books. You cant manipulate 'rules and funding arrangements' as Im sure if there are loopholes, SF arent the only ones using them (I said 'if' because though its '100%' clear to yourself, it isnt to me.)

The economy always need to grow and the population of Dublin is growing by about the size of Galway City every 4 years.

We need more jobs to support that growth.

Didn't see the interview. But it might be Francie, rather than McGahan, who isn't quite across the substance of the report.

What the OECD says is that we have a highly progressive tax/transfer system which does more to reduce income inequality in society than the tax/transfer system of nearly every other OECD member state. But we need this because, before taxes and transfers, we have an extremely high level of income inequality.

The "massive inequalities", then, aren't in the tax system; they're in the labour market. The progressive tax/transfer system alleviates them — after taxes and transfers, we are pretty much mid-range for income equality in the OECD. But we wouldn't need such a progressive tax/transfer system if income and wealth was more equally distributed in the first place.

If SF sees this as a problem, and if they have a policy for addressing it, no doubt Francie can point us to the policy.

How do you fix VAT being the problem without making people who earn more pay more for basic goods? The only way I can see this working is if we introduce an ID at tills that contains your wealth or income levels that gets scanned in and adjusts the VAT rate accordingly.

Also they probably are already paying more for basic goods considering they are likely to be buying higher priced goods and thus paying more in VAT than someone buying cheaper brands.

I notice nowhere in this discussion is there a mention of MUP in a similar vein especially considering it effects lower priced alcohol to a far larger extent than higher priced stuff..

Well, they do, where are the millions that the English old guy left to the "Sinn Fein party in the Republic of Ireland"? I will tell you where they are - siphoned through the Sinn Fein party in Northern Ireland because the bequest wasn't allowed in the South. That is income that they didn't put on their books correctly.

Then there is the "Friends of Sinn Fein" and their activities. Funding online bots abroad is one thing that they have been doing.

When you see somebody holding a completely irrational opinion, one that is academically debunked, maintains that irrational opinion, in the face of the irrationality being clear to everyone else, you do have to wonder.

Again this makes no sense.

Every single party since the dawn of this state has been incompetent and made mistakes. Some of them tragically costly in many many ways. They have also gotten things right and done some good. No government is ever going to achieve perfection.

Stop the melodramatic exceptionalism maybe?

Now it seems to me that SF have been hard at work reassuring business leaders. Or are you refuting what the article clearly says?

Yes they have concerns about personal taxation, but the only people shouting about corporate flight are posters here.

Posters who cannot demonstrate where this flight has happened elsewhere because personal taxation was raised. Still waiting for examples.

Well I hate to tell you, it's endemic across the political class.

Any comment on this:

Was the guy from Deloitte sensationalising and threatening the flight of staff? Was he even alluding to it as a consequence?

Can you point to where this flight of staff has happened in the countries listed with higher tax rates?

Its not just business people, private citizens who have any degree of wealth are being advised to move their money out of the country for fear of what a SF government will try take from them, my parents themselves arent in this situation but have several friends who would be worth low double digits millions and have confirmed they are in the process of or already have secured themselves against a SF government by moving a fair amount of their assets overseas. If people in that position are doing it just imagine what those in the far wealthier categories are up to.

Francie can deny reality all he wants but the fear of what SF will do is making people desert the country with their money.