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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I actually think it might help. Seven years is a long time to be a head coach, a bit of a shake-up and some fresh ideas a couple of years might be no bad thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    There are definitely some upsides to it. For example - I expect a large contingent of Irish players this tour and like you say, the opportunity to freshen things up.

    I just feel the potential disadvantages outweigh the benefits. There will be Irish players who feel they are better than their counterparts from the British isles who are inevitably going to be selected ahead of them. I've also lost a bit of love for the tours after Gatlands last shambles of a squad so that may have something to do with my feelings towards it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,129 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Yeah I’d agree with that and it’s at a good time in a WC cycle for a bit of a change up.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Benjamin Cold Sorbet


    He’s always come across as a guy of integrity, so there is no reason to believe he won’t take the same approach to picking a Lions squad as he has an Irish one, and select the best player available.

    The players know him well enough I’d think to understand this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Exactly.

    But fans & the rugby press will gleefully jump on any contentious selections.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,832 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Squads are selected by committee to a fair degree. Yes the head coach has the final say, but the individual assistant coaches can certainly make the best case for certain players they like, a la rowntree practically begging gatland to include corbisiero in 2013.

    The lads will know this as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I struggle to care at all about the Lions anymore. Gatland really drove it into the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,842 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Australia don't have the depth of player to make a decent lions tour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    If Casey could kick he'd be the incumbent 9 for Ireland. His passing is sensational at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    His kicking in the last couple of weeks has dropped off a bit; for about 12-18 months prior to that, it was exceptional, a real area of the game he improved.

    100% agree on the passing tho, I think he's the best passer of a ball in the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Nash looking like his last-season self yesterday, I think he's done enough to claim Hansen's spot. His try was reminiscent of Hansen himself, from kick-off vs France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Both Baird and Timoney have been excellent for the last few weeks. Think Baird needs to start at 6 and not sure how but Timoney deserves to be in the squad. Doris, JVDF & Baird probably the only back rows guaranteed to be in the squad at this stage.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Cian Prendergast has looked like a man amongst boys at Connacht any time I've seen them, which is admittedly not that often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Doris, JVDF & Baird probably the only back rows guaranteed to be in the squad at this stage.

    I'd be quite surprise if POM wasn't, at a minimum, in the squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I’d personally have him in. For leadership and doggedness if nothing else. But with his age and rumours of retirement at the end of this season I wonder if Farrell decides against it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    For me, Prendergast is a certainty. Seriously good season for him. Hodnett and Timoney could make it. Nash and Larmour will get into the wider squad. They've both been excellent.

    I hope Hume makes it. His form has been superb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Given how rich the back row stocks are you could see Farrell moving on from Peter when he’s retiring at the end of the season. He’ll likely be in the squad but Farrell will have to look ahead. Baird, VDF and Doris looked to be in super form yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Think the back rows selected will be POM, Prendergast, Baird, VDF, Timoney, Doris and Conan.

    Nothing too surprising at all in the mix. Will be an interesting battle between Prendergast and Baird for the 6 jersey, could easily see Prendergast on the bench due to being more versatile.



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Everleigh Freezing Oasis


    POM will still be starting imo. Wouldn't be my choice but I think it's who Farrell will pick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    His lack of game time and rumours of retirement might change that. Would expect him to start against France tho



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    With Ireland losing Sexton and having a new young 10 replacing him I think Farrell at least for the 6N will want to keep the team as settled as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭50HX


    Would agree with this unless farrell is goin to rip up the style of play completely considering he has a long term deal....v unlikely tho.

    Last time we had wholesale changes was gatland bringing in the young guns but his back was to the wall that time so a bit of free shot in some aspects

    Would like to see baird & nash starting, crowley is a given, outside of that would be as is I suspect



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Benjamin Cold Sorbet


    I posted this in the Champions Cup thread in response to a comment by mistake, better posted here:

    My prediction for our 37 man squad (using the same composition as last year's squad is as follows):

    Props (6): Tadgh Furlong, Finlay Bealham, Tom O'Toole, Andrew Porter, Jeremy Loughman, Cian Healy

    Hookers (3): Dan Sheehan, Ronan Kelleher, Tom Stewart

    Locks (4): James Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Joe McCarthy, Iain Henderson

    Back Row (7): Caelan Doris, Josh van der Flier, Peter O'Mahony, Jack Conan, Ryan Baird, Tom Ahern, Cian Prendergast

    Scrum Halves (3): Jamison Gibson Park, Craig Casey, Caolin Blade

    Out Halves (3): Jack Crowley, Ciaran Frawley, Ross Byrne

    Centres (4): Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki, Robbie Henshaw, Stuart McCloskey

    Back Three (7): Hugo Keenan, James Lowe, Calvin Nash, Jacob Stockdale, Jordan Larmour, Shane Daly, Shayne Bolton


    On the groupings, I don't see a viable alternative to Cian Healy, especially as there are concerns still around Loughman. It won't surprise me if Healy benched in Marseille.

    I've picked the back row I think he'll select - it's useful as Ahern and Baird can also cover lock. I wouldn't personally select effectively four blindsides, and would give a spot to one of Timoney or Hodnett.

    Not 100% sure obviously he'll move on from Murray - but his form has been poor. Nathan Doak isn't playing enough and isn't playing well enough to justify inclusion yet (unless as a development player), so Blade is probably next up if they move on from Murray.

    Equally - there aren't a whole host of 10 options. No idea what way he'll go there.

    I've taken a bolter in the back three in Bolton - but I really struggled to fill out 7 back three places and think he has a kind of abrasive style that Farrell will like. He's been playing very well and is still very young. Makes absolute sense to me to bring him and get a better look at him. He deserves the spot ahead of Baloucoune right now IMO.

    EDIT: Updated for the news that Herring is likely out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Agree with this largely but would go with Hodnett or Timoney ahead of Ahern and think Murray will be ahead of Blade. Would love to see the likes of Boyle, Aungier, Gleeson, Prendergast and Forde in as development players too

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    We won't be doing anything dramatic for this 6N. Maybe a few more integrated into the squad, build on that in the summer (with a first choice team still taking the field in SA) and then selection moving on in the autumn with longer term prospects being integrated into the 23 on a more permanent basis.

    Might see a bit of 6N change for Italy in Dublin where guys like Ahern, Prendergast and TOT might be in the 23 but certainly don't envisage anything but our strongest and most settled 23 for the trip to Marseille. We simply don't have time to get a new team integrated; they haven't been together as a group since the RWC and will have just over a week together before the team is named.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    My Guess.


    Props (6): Tadgh Furlong, Finlay Bealham, Tom O'Toole, Andrew Porter, Jeremy Loughman, Michael Milne

    Hookers (3): Dan Sheehan, Ronan Kelleher, Tom Stewart

    Locks (4): James Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Joe McCarthy, Iain Henderson

    Back Row (7): Caelan Doris Captain., Josh van der Flier, John Hodnett, Jack Conan, Ryan Baird, Tom Ahern, Cian Prendergast

    Scrum Halves (3): Jamison Gibson Park, Craig Casey, Nathan Doak.

    Out Halves (3): Jack Crowley, Ciaran Frawley, Sam Prendergast 

    Centres (4): Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki, Robbie Henshaw, James Hume

    Back Three (7): Hugo Keenan, James Lowe, Calvin Nash, Jacob Stockdale, Jordan Larmour, Shane Daly, Tommy O'Brien.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Benjamin Cold Sorbet


    Milne hasn't played this season - so I can't see how you can him one niggle in a warm up away from benching against the French (even allowing for the fact Porter invariably plays 70 odd mins).

    I can't see POM not making the squad - the impact of his leadership and lineout nous was evident for Munster at the weekend.

    I'd be hugely surprised to see Nathan Doak or Sam Prendergast in the squad, unless as development players. Same thought on Tommy O'Brien (prob too old to be a development player) but don't think he's done enough to warrant this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    If he does rip things up he isnt going to do it this 6N and even then if there is a change it will be gradual like it was in the last WC campaign.


    Despite not getting to the SF we still had a good year in 2023 so there's no need to start again, just keep things settled for now and then gradually change things.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The non-test games in particular this time are going to be mind numbing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Pom's lineout Nous was clearly evendent in the world cup all right.

    Healy 36, Murray 34 and O'Mahony 34 have been great servants to Ireland but professional sport is no place for sentiment. Ireland need to start to move on from them.

    There is plenty of experience in the squad if they were not included. None of them are considered guaranteed starters anymore. And could be considered as 3rd choice on their position in some circumstances so best to move on and have a look at alternative options.

    If there is an injury they can be called up if required.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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