Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

That's not really a good summary at all and only really summarises the South African arguments and writes off Israels as simply appeals to emotions and claims that SA is supporting terrorists. Pretty sure there was more to it than that.

We should be supporting the Houthi's they are trying to help Gaza.

They are heroes.

Surprising

I'm not an an anti-Semite nor do I want Jews driven into the sea but I am not surprised that you are completely incapable of nuanced thinking and just assume that because you view me as a "leftist" that I must think in the sort of stereotypes that you view the world in. You strike me as someone with a very limited experience of the world and the people in it, despite how old you likely are, maybe at some stage you'll get out there and experience it and come to your own conclusions and not base everything you think around conservative American internet talking points.

The Houthis are fighting at the behest of Iran. But if they were fighting for Gaza, I don't see how attacking a US warship and US merchant ship helps?

It's Israel attacking Gaza not the US. The Houthis are attacking pretty much any ship in the red sea, the latest being a Russian flagged one. Are Russia on the side of Israel? How does one fight for Gaza by attacking multiple countries ships which are not attacking Gaza?.... that will take some mental gymnastics to figure out.

I can disagree and condemn Hamas for their brutal attack on Israel, I can respect Israel's right to self defense, but I can also also condemn them when I see it's now not self defence, it's revenge and quite possibly genocide. I can praise the US for helping Ukraine out and also condemn the US for backing Israel without question. I can also praise the US for taking a stand against the Houthis.

Why would the attack on the Houthis be referred to the ICJ? The US has a right to self defense, their ship was fired upon, they have the right to defend it.

And the Maltese, Bahamas, French, UK, Liberia, Cayman Islands, Panama, Hong Kong, Norway vessels all attacked prior to the US ones? Can you understand why the Houthis attacked them? If they were targeting the US, why target like 10 countries vessels before that?

Almost makes it look like they were just attacking at random. Very hard to state they attacked the US ship when it looks like just pure random/luck.

But you cannot say you understand why they attacked a ship when it was all random. There was no premeditation in the target. It's like a gunman opening fire on a crowd hitting a dozen innocent people and after the fact it's found out one of the victims was a know killer (or criminal).... you wouldn't say 'I understand why the gunman shot that person'. It's absurd.

So it's not what people are saying but how they say it ? Intemperate or not, if its critism of what Israel is doing, like most on here being critical of all the innocent deaths, that's not anti semitic, no matter how it's said.

There's nothing inevitable about what Israel is doing, do you think the number of civilian deaths is acceptable

Agreed. I don't know what the evidential rules are for the ICJ. I have wondered if the reason for their final decision being "years" away results from them corroborating all the evidence given.

The make up of the ICJ is not like a normal court either - not sure if the judges are simply that or more of a jury (like the special criminal court here). Or something in between. But with upwards of 17 respected and qualified legal experts, I'd be sure they know what the truth is and can easily filter out the emotion.

I think the emotion, from both sides, is directed at influencing the initial judgement of the court as regards interim measures.

That decision is important and will be controversial - whatever it is.

The final ruling is more controversial in the long term. If Israel was found to have committed genocide, that would be devastating for them. If exonerated, those who support the Palestinians would be devastated. Certainly, the **** will hit the fan either way.

No. What some people say abbout Israel is OTT and in my view unacceptable; it's not a matter of "how they say it". In particular some of the rush to judgement on genocide can be used to justify ectreme measures against Israel and Jews.

And before people rush further into judgement I say "can be used", not "is used".

I'm very surprised more didnt pick up the Houthi flag and run with it tbh.

I dont remeber posting it but aside from one "understanding" the Houthi's most still seem to regard them as being terrorists, which is pleasant as I would have expected more frothing about Israel being Nazi's.

I mean, historical record could be the explanation for that association, rather than skin colour.

Do you need a few wiki links to refresh your memory?

For people living in Europe or North America, their lives have not been changed by any perceived risk from Jewish terrorism. The ways in which travel and other aspects of our lives have had to be changed for the worse due to Palestinian or Islamic terrorism in general though is long, to say the least.

None.

I was only being helpful. You didn't seem to realize that Europeans being wary of Palestinian terrorism is based on fact, while Jewish terrorism has basically never existed outside of the region previously designated as the Palestinian Mandate.

People in Europe and America fear Palestinian terrorism not because they imagine that Palestinians are dark (Indians and Chinese are darker, but there's little concern of terrorist attacks from them in Europe, oddly) but because Palestinian terrorism has killed hundreds if not thousands of people in Europe and the US, and continues to be a risk today.