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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Justice Minister McEntee welcomes historic agreement on EU Migration and Asylum Pact

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    Denmark opted out of this, as they and Ireland have an opt-out clause...and we have opted in. They actually opted us in. The Dublin III Regulation (No. 604/2013) will be void and replaced, based on 'mandatory solidarity' and the strength of our 'GDP'.

    Europe has wrought untold destruction on the sociocultural and economic fabric of societies across Europe. For whose benefit? Not Ireland. And the government do this

    • January 2023, The UNHCR and the Irish National Union of Journalists launch reporting guidelines for journalists covering forced displacement in Ireland.
    • May, last year the EU Council agreed to a new "mandatory solidarity" pact with 3 options for Member States: 1) Accept a number of relocated asylum-seekers as in 30,000 a year. 2) Pay for return of rejected applicants to their country of origin (€20,000) 3) Finance operational support

    Seems their mind had been made up. Its beyond vile what they are doing

    "Your universe has no meaning to them.
    They will not try to understand. They will be tired, they will be cold, they will make a fire with your beautiful oak door..."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Ireland is literally one big reception center at the moment. mental

    "Your universe has no meaning to them.
    They will not try to understand. They will be tired, they will be cold, they will make a fire with your beautiful oak door..."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    Pay for return of rejected applicants to their country of origin (€20,000).

    Wow they just created a new scam. Take half the prison population (or other undesirables) in a country, book them on planes to the EU, get paid for their return, rinse and repeat. Prisoners will spend their entire sentences inside airports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I'm not sure many of the public want to leave the EU tbh.


    Spain you say? I'm sure you'll love it over there.


    In the first 10 months of 2023, more than 43,000 migrants and refugees landed on the Spanish coasts.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Juran


    I know illegal immigrants arrive on the Spanish shore, but I bet they are all.making their way yo Germany, UK and Ireland !


    They dont want to.stay in Spain. Have you seen the dole in Spain? Its peanuts. Dole in Ireland .. now thats like the lotto to these boys.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    What? How's exactly is money made from this "scam"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Wrong again unfortunately. They had over 150,000 aslyum applications last year. A record for them. But don't worry, you'll still have a great time living there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Juran


    I will actually. Buying a plush pad in a gated community,cash, no mortgage, with hard earned savings, never took a penny dole money in my life. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,815 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Why would we pay anything more than the cost of the flight back to wherever they arrived from?? Who is that 20 grand going to? Article seems very vague...

    At the end of the meeting, Malmer Stenergard confirmed the one-off payment for each rejected applicant will be provisionally set at €20,000, which will then be channelled into a yet-to-defined common EU fund. 

    Sounds to me like it'll either be another slush fund for the unaccountable and deliberately obfuscated group that is the EU, or it'll be another "nice little earner" for some NGO or other who volunteer to manage this on behalf of the Irish Government - pay to bring them in/support them, pay to send them home!

    Someone mentioned that there's not much demand for Ireland to leave the EU - that's true! Give it a few years though....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Bit of a correction. December 20th, 2023, the Department of Justice had posted the European Parliament/Council agreed a new EU Reg on Migration and Asylum -

    The last paragraph of that post states below but it not on the above I posted:

    While Ireland has not yet opted-into the Pact measures, with the exception of the European Union Asylum Agency Regulation, the rest of the EU will be bound by them two years after they are adopted, which will likely happen in the first few months of next year. Minister McEntee will seek a decision from Government on Ireland opting-into the Pact measures in the first quarter of next year.

    Again, this pact effectively abolishes the protections Ireland has under the Dublin III Regs IF Ireland were to opt into to this. In effect, this Reg will oblige Ireland to accept the relocation of whatever number of third-country nationals, the European Commission considers to be our fair share.

    I'll be sending on emails to TD's & Senators tomorrow. You can find your local TD's & Senators below

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/members/

    "Your universe has no meaning to them.
    They will not try to understand. They will be tired, they will be cold, they will make a fire with your beautiful oak door..."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    Whenever the talks with the Ukraine even attempt to get serious about granting them entry to the eu,that will be the beginning of the break up of the eu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Immigration is fantastic isn't it. Nothing better than being able to go to a country less well off and buy up their housing stock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Looks like Roscrea is now saying no too, and it seems they've been promised families as well.

    The rather appropriately named Racket Hall is at the centre of the protests with up to 160 people planned to be accommodated at the hotel. Irish Times reports that over 200 people attended a demonstration this evening.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I was scrolling through Twitter this morning when I see another video tweet by Minister ROG of him smugly smiling talking through some issue relating to a crèche in Meath, comments turned off of course.

    People complain about some of our politicians from the past but I have never seen a bigger self serving simpleton in politics let alone a Cabinet Minister

    The next election can’t come quick enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭bsloepro


    Nothing like being able to go somewhere and pay your own way either, instead of having the government pay it for you.

    Regarding the 150,000 applications - what’s the population of Spain - 40+ million. Well 43 from a google search, compared to our approx 5 million - so in compative terms that 150,000 is about 20,000 to us.

    Post edited by bsloepro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 538 ✭✭✭slay55


    People have no voice anymore - we are told what’s happening and to just accept it


    can see why people took to the streets and do whatever needs be to show their dissatisfaction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,281 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,271 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    And just like that they are gone never to be seen again. It's really so irresponsible by the state.

    We don't know who these people are, is there security concerns etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Great to hear that representative on rte this morning turning on the government again. Only hotel left in the town (roscrea) i think is now being used for over 100 IPAs.

    And people wonder why certain things are being done.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Carlito Brigantes Tale


    Things falling apart rapidly now from a government narrative standpoint. Has there ever been a government so out of touch with the people in the history of our state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,815 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Last night, when asked about reports that eight of them had gone missing, the Department of Justice said it did not comment on individual cases.


    However, it added that, where State accommodation was provided in such circumstances, no person was required to remain in that accommodation.

    That line, like the "commercial sensitivity" trotted out whenever a Minister/Department is questioned on the spending of public money, should be unacceptable!

    These individuals were the subject of huge media coverage and the likes of Eamon Ryan and others had no problem putting out a soundbite on these "individual cases" - yet when it again goes "oops", we're expected to swallow the "no comment" line?! It's also unacceptable given that by collecting them and bringing them to Citywest - rather than straight to the airport for immediate deportation back to where they "fled" from - the State IS responsible for whatever happened next.

    The Department of Justice and all TDs work for US, and they could do well with remembering that - although, I suppose they are questioned so rarely by the compliant docile media in this country that it's no surprise that the answer to such a statement was something like "uhhh ok then" by whomever posed the questions.

    Meanwhile we have 8 individuals who we know little to nothing about roaming the country or whom have absconded across the border. You can be sure that if they WERE to cause any problems elsewhere (and how do we know that couldn't happen?), that line wouldn't wash with an official query from the UK government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,271 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Did you hear McEntee yesterday? Car crash stuff. She had already decided what to say before the question. She just trotted out these predetermined statements no matter what the question was. The interviewer didn't even bother to say "please answer the question" because she knew what McEntee was like. I doubt McEntee actually heard any of the questions.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Strawman ahoy!

    Didn’t say a thing about leaving the EU

    Talking shíte as per usual



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Well, unless your a local Spainish person trying to buy property. Seeing Johnny foreign come in and outbid you on the local property probably isn't such an amazing thing.


    Yes I know. Imagine leaving a country because they take in too many asylum seekers only to move to another that still takes in more comparatively.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    I think these so called ‘interviewers’ know very well not to ask ‘difficult’ questions if they want to keep their job.

    predetermined questions and answers only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Well if you want us to ignore all the EU legislation we have to comply with then do tell us how we should do that while remaining in the EU?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,271 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The questions were hard hitting to be honest. It was one of the crew on Morning Ireland. However the answers were just scripted waffle from McEntee. Most of her answers had no relevance to the question. She is very weak but I notice there hasn't been a cabinet reshuffle for a long time...

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Just become very strict - anyone arriving in any airport for example without a passport is not permitted entry for example and other more stringent measures

    It’s a shame because it might result in some genuine asylum seekers that actually need help being turned away.

    But the no limits everything for anyone types like yourself have burned up a lot of the good will that was there amongst the general populace. Attitudes to all of it are hardening now and again you can thank yourself and your ilk for contributing to that.

    No doubt you think you’re “good” for behaving how you have but ultimately it’s a net negative for the migrants, as those championing their cause are incapable of doing it without pontification and moral grandstanding.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    You do think we should leave the EU then? Because everything you've just said goes against EU law.


    Attitudes are hardening? And? I couldn't give a ****. If people with attitudes similar to yours want to burn down accommodation facilities then that's nothing to do with me and has no impact on me.


    There's no support for your desire to leave the EU, you just need to accept that.



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