"Green" policies are destroying this country

One other conclusion could be that most people can't be arsed with these neverending X (insert the thing you really dislike) bashing threads.

That is one reason.

The other reason the thread has gone quiet is that posters cant be arsed responding to more anti-Green nonsense and misinformation.

I was never out to win an arguement nor was I looking for converts. Neither have I any idea as to what I was supposedly trying to convert posters on.

I have no problem with green energy and I`m not as one poster here seems to believe anti the environment. Again something I have no idea what that is supposed to entail, or even how anyone could be anti the environment. Unlike some here I am not someone who just follows dictates from on high and defends them unquestioning with a religious zeal. I come from a generation that is only too aware of where that in the past brough us.

I would be more in the area of a contrarian if you like in that I believe when it comes to proposals that will affect me, mine and the economic well being of the country it is more than reasonable to ask questions and point out where these proposals are taking us and the rational behind them. Many of which I see as being based on nothing more than an ideology and at times a particular Irish green ideology all of its own.

I live in the real world and have asked questions along with many others here where is the rational behing culling cattleignored, the imaginary boundaries that were being proposed for communities of 500+ and 500-, and the insistence on no LNG or gas storage when both Eirgrid and the CRU were telling Ryan they were required for energy security. Questions that were ignored and still have not been answered. When some here were telling us the capital costs of wind generation were only going to go down because of economy of scale etc. I along with many others here posted the end of year financial reports from wind turbine manufacturers that showed the opposite was going to be the case.Like others I have asked questions on the rational of the E.U. regarding wood burning as carbon neutral and a guarantee of green electricity generation which in Ireland`s experience was not worth the paper it was written on as well as others taking advantage of cheap fossil fuels to boost their economy producing all this green tech that following the trajectory we are on by using will wreck our economy. Again, no answers.

But to get to the real biggy, like others I have posted verifiable figures on just a section of this offshore wind plan we are suppose to follow to get us to zero carbon emissions by 2050 that are not so much totally economically unviable as laughable to anybody that can add two and two imo, and I have yet to see any answer that shows otherwise.

So no, I am not looking to win an arguement or make converts. I am asking questions that I belive in a democracy deserve to be answered and I hope the lack of answers from those that have been championing these policies along with their drop off in posting here is now due to at least some of them pausing for thought as to just where following these policies will bring us.

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I do not know what you define as anti-green nonsense but I would like to kindly ask you to point out couple of the misinformation you claim that were posted here.

Might be remembering incorrectly but don't you deny that humans are responsible for climate change?

Hopefully if some of our mising brethren do return, then it will not be with a lot of the waffle and evasion that has gone on here in the past on questions they are asked on a proposed plan they are backing.

Humans are responsible for climate change? This is exactly why people do not trust greens anymore. Statement like this show complete lack of understanding the issue of climate change. Not only that it is the same rehashed concept of baseless scaremongering it is actually increasing every time.

1960s - 'Oil will be gone in 10 years. We need millions to fix it.'

1970s - 'There will be an Ice Age in 10 years. We need millions to fix it.'

1980s - 'Acid rain will destroy all the crops in 10 years. We need billions to fix it.'

1990s - 'The Ozone layer will be destroyed in 10 years. We need billions to fix it.'

2000s - 'The glaciers will all melt in 10 years. We need billions to fix it.'

2010s - 'The coast will be underwater in 10 years. We need billions to fix it.'

2020s - 'Climate Change will kill us all in 10 years. We need trillions to fix it.'

As long as naïve people like you are willing to let the government keep them in fear, the government will continue to invent problems, increase taxes and endless spending while sending our national debt ever higher to the point it can never be paid back and eventually bankrupting our country.

Cool, thanks for illustrating my point. You're not a moderate view on the topic...

Roderic O`Gorman may be getting it in the neck at the moment over the asylum system but I don`t believe people are looking at it as solely a Green Party s**t show. I believe the reason it has calmed down here of late is because for some time now it has become very difficult to defend many of the Irish Green Party actions and the realisation that their proposals on electricity generation in particular are untenable..

As has been said here often, barring a change to the constitution, which would required a referendum with a majority voting to pass, there is no legal restriction on a government to changing or scraping anything brought in by a previous government. Under the present plan the 2050 emissions target is a non-runner. We are not going to be spending upwards of 75% of our GDP on a plan that nobody can put a cost too, or if it would even work to scale.

Its going to be so interesting to watch the Greens (and to be fair a lot of politicians from the other parties who've gone along with their nonsense) as we get closer to 2030 and are nowhere near our targets.

To meet the 2030 target our emissions had to reduce by 4% odd a year every year this decade, but so far have mostly been increasing (up 12.3% in 2022 alone!). At the moment 2030 is still two election cycles away so the issue is being ignored, but we haven't a hope of coming anywhere near a 51% reduction. Current projections have us at about 20-30% by then - and thats largely from hitting relatively low hanging fruit like electrifying cars/buses, home retrofits, adding some wind/solar power, increasing carbon taxes a bit etc. And even at that the Greens have hemorrhaged support.

When the Greens in the 2028/2029 start preaching that we need to bring in more drastic, much more punitive measures, its going to go down like a brick with the population at large. I wonder at that time will the more mainstream parties then relax on the environmental agenda.