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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2023/2024 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    An upgrade for cold in the JMA too. The JMA had, in recent runs, gone for a fairly weak push of cold that barely made out north coast. Out to 132hrs below. The UKMO is excellent though the eroding of the Greenland High is a little concern. The GFS op run was a complete mild outlier. Ensembles should support cold

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    ECM decent out to 140 though that bulge from the heights regressing into Iberia could do with not being there. There is always something.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    ECM0-144.GIF

    Day 6, shaping up alright. Next frame key.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Heading to slider low territory by 168. Minus 5 850s over northern third of Ireland at this point. Strong heights retained over Greenland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Would like uppers a degree or 2 lower. Hopefully will evolve.

    Edit: Strong Greenland heights and Iberian little heights rise flattened?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    ECM has the right idea about the likely outcome/pattern, but the finer details will change. Also, you do not necessarily require very cold 850s in the case of a slider low pushing up against cold air in mid winter. I have had heavy snowfall here in Clare when uppers were -3c. Dew points have to be right of course but evaporative cooling can also be a factor. Anyway, that's a discussion for another day.


    In meantime, at 192hrs less cold uppers will not be a concern here. ❄️

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    ECM0-192.GIF

    The Good Ole 17th!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    216hrs and very cold airmass over Ireland with a potential snowmaker inbound. Whether this happens or not, charts like this are a rare sight in Ireland for mid January

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    Mad, mad run with heights in place in the northwest. For consistency sake, I'll say it's prob an extreme cold outlier....

    ECM1-240 (1).gif

    Please everybody, do not post a snow chart. It's pointless and only feeds Dublinlive.ie and galwaybeo.ie and if doesn't happen, Met Eireann get blamed (because they make the weather). Lots of changes to come yet between now and then. Very much in FI Territory.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭typhoony


    ECM is going for a southerly direction for the Low which is better than a slider low coming in from the SW which usually have Atlantic energy pushing in milder air whereas as a low from the south approaches much slower and has the potential for a longer period of snow



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The final frame of the ECM is interesting a real battleground event probably a snow to wintry mix event for us, however those damn heights over Spain/Portugal are proving very stubborn and it appears in the final frame that the heights finally show signs of lowering over Iberia, if only we could go on another couple of frame.

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    Blocking over Greenland is decent but the main problem is those southern European heights as always. This is still 10 days away so more changes will happen and more runs needed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭sicknotexi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭typhoony


    The 216 and 240 keeps us on the right side of the low as it pushes into the UK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭pureza


    I'm just here to say the 12z ECM is quite acceptable 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭sicknotexi


    snowdepth_20240109_12_240.jpg

    One can dream.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Definitely some nice developments today if we can look past the GFS horror show. GEM ensembles further improve chances of cold. Icon is starting to look very good and the ECM still good but we could do with the cold been pushed south a bit more as we are close to a rain event but are just about to the right side of the cold.

    The KMA looks to be a bit of an outlier with a massive winter storm.

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    KMA tries to turns things milder but it never really gets mild and the cold starts building again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭esposito


    Re heights over Greenland, obviously they start to fade deep into FI however I think there is a decent chance that the heights could improve for that range over the coming days prolonging the cold spell.

    I would like to see lower 850 temps from Sunday and for the cold to come in quicker but beggars can't be choosers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Donegal Ken




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,312 ✭✭✭pad199207


    I’m starting to side with the ECM now and I believe it’s calling things right in the mid term



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭Reversal


    Is it just me or is trend with HLB always; insane blocking appears in FI, slowly gets watered to nearly nothing by day 5/6. Then slight upgrades between days 3-6 to some moderate blocking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The UKMO MOGREPS is pretty definitive about a northerly airflow by Monday. Generally dry but that's not to say one or two troughs will not appear. Only 1 of the 17 perturbations going for mild.

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    NAVGEM retains heights and is cold in an unstable airflow

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭SpitfireIV


    We'll be seeing this on DublinLive tomorrow 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    ECM1-240.GIF

    Grand bit of snow falling, grand wind chill, grand low in the Celtic Sea, grand all round.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Stunning ECM with a lot of disruption at the end. The best thing is to not overdo reaction to the "best" output or the "worst". A lot of potential in the next 10 days but a lot of detail to be ironed out.

    I'm confident meself 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,606 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Fantastic. A red warning for some . The only concern is it could get washed away soon enough. It would be great to see a dump of snow hang around for a couple of days. Anyway the reality maybe that the system is further south in the end, so possibly no snowfest for many.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭esposito


    Yellows over Greenland please! I like that NAVGEM run. I like it a lot

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Would this kinda be like storm Emma in March 2018



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭sparrowcar


    Casual little "I'm confident myself"... if the frog is ready then I'm ready.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The ECMWF mean is very similar to the op run for next Wednesday. The vast majority of members are also showing minus 5 or lower 850s by Monday. The ensembles will be the coldest yet overall. You'd have to wonder how the very well supported UKMO and ECM are so different to the GFS.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭esposito


    Yes, what’s important to me after a good dump of snow is a good hard freeze under high pressure for a few days or even a week after so we can properly enjoy the snow on the ground! Something like Jan 1982 would be bliss..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,549 ✭✭✭munsterlegend




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