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The new recycling system

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    This is only a scheme to recycle plastic bottles, cans were included to make it more feasible.

    Technology has not moved on to the point that it is less expensive to produce more plastic then it is to recycle certain plastics. Unless you have a link to this technology? Anyway the problem is not the offering of these plastics up for recycling it's the higher chains up that don't bother because they won't or can't.

    I must have missed the publicity campaign, 3 or 4 very soft ball short interviews is all I am aware of. Even at that they admitted it was more a littering scheme than a recycling one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,920 ✭✭✭Deeec


    The problem with this scheme is they have overcomplicated it and think people will do it for financial gain - when they won't. No need whatsoever for silly vending machines dispensing bloody vouchers- they just need to provide large plastic bins and encourage people to use these the same way we use glass banks.

    My parents are in their 80s they won't be able to use these machines no matter how many times they are shown. Ok one of us will probably do it for them but there are alot of elderly people that don't have support of family and for them the cost of their purchase of items in plastic bottles will increase alot. Alot of elderly can't afford this increase - it's very unfair on them.

    This hasn't been well thought out at all. It's just another chore for people - I foresee people will get fed up very quick with this voucher system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭creedp


    Mmm debating which category of homeless person will be most useful to this scheme is somewhat missing the point imo. A scheme championed by 'middles class' environmentalists designed in a manner whereby ulisising the desperation of homeless people to pick up trash so fair trade champagne can be popped when the critical 90% kpi is reached takes the gloss off, again imho



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭KAGY


    Haven't read the full thread so apologies if this has already ready been discussed. But I wonder how unique the bar code is? Could I just hang on to the beer and softdrink cans from Xmas and stick a qr code copied from a new on it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    +1 Just another chore for people who already recycle.

    More bins and collection facilities and empty them promptly would be fine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭SteM


    ?? Where did I say it was a money making scheme.

    In this house we have already cut out plastic bottles that will be effected by this scheme and recycle all aluminium in our green bin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    If they are unique you can scan some qrcodes from stuff in shelves and re sticker. This has the added effect that when the original item is returned it won't credit the returnee and they will be cross. I'm not saying it should be done amd i certainly wouldnt bother but I can see people doing it and causing havoc.

    I know a bit about qr codes and it's certainly possaible for them to be unique



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,203 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The challenge would be more at the truck end, where nothing is separated. Your waste goes into the same container as your neighbour's waste. So they'd have to read all the RFIDs as the bin is emptied, with no second chance, no way to know if they've actually got them all. And Mary from No.7 will be certain that she had ten bottles not seven so now she wants an extra refund.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    This is true. I welcome this system as I dont use a bin collection service. I had good hope when the bag tax came in that all the other forms of single use plastic packaging would go as well after a few years but this wasnt the case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭65535


    Why do all the posters here assume that a recycling bin is a green bin ?

    There are unfortunately different colours depending on which company collects your waste etc.

    'Country Clean' the main company around Cork provides Blue Bins for recycling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Not just here you see it on recycling awareness tv programmes and official government campaigns. I'm not sure there's any colour consistency outside of Dublin, they should really be referred to by what's in them not their colour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭JVince


    Very unique and not numbered.


    People need to understand that DOZENS of countries do this. Ireland has simply copied what has worked perfectly elsewhere. Even the machines are identical.

    It's dreadfully simple.

    In fact Ireland introduced the first bottle return system in 1799

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container-deposit_legislation



  • Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Eason Big Jury


    That or they should have regulated the colour of them years ago, but it's a bit late now.

    Various companies just took notions to go with different colours to stand out or because of meh .. reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What difference does it make what colour the bin is or what it is called?

    As long as the customer knows what is supposed to go in, that's all that matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    Not exactly true. I visited a can recycling plant in the UK ast year and the difference in quality of the material coming from DRS countries to non-DrS is fairly spectacular. About 20% better. That makes for a more efficient recycling process.

    However you are definitely correct that PET is the bigger issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I doubt it would work but sure give it a go if you like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    General taxation, unclaimed deposits and whatever re-turn make from selling on the cans and bottles to recyclers will be

    Stop the unclaimed deposits and you cut a revenue stream though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    They don't, that's the problem. You get people saying put paper or containers you can't return in the green bin or whatever when for a lot of people that's waste or compost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭65535


    It's the standard Dublin / East Coast mentality - 'I live inside the M50' and my recycling bin is Green so everyone's is.

    The bin is called a Recycling Bin - here where I am it's Blue - where you are it might be Green but then that does not mean that all recycling bins are green.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭bren2001




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    I don’t live anywhere near the M50, Dublin or the East Coast. Both of my bins are green. The recycling one has a blue lid. The general waste one has a black lid.

    I still know that if someone - on a thread about recycling - talks about putting a plastic bottle in the “green bin”, that they mean the recycling bin and not any other one.

    It’s fairly standard common sense, and not something worth getting worked up over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,389 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    With everything going to be shipped to Limerick it seems odd, could they not have 5 or 6 sites around the country to be more efficient?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    There is a depot in Dublin. But Limerick is processing. Only 1 site needed on the island for that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭eastie17


    And it’s a red bin with Wisers waste collection. Their green bin is actually the general waste bin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Their main proposed revenue stream is unclaimed deposits.

    So the OP was correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    I always assumed the bin companies do it deliberately so their collection guys can easily tell the difference between the bins for the different companies in an estate - so if they all wanted to collect the recycling bins on a Friday it would be a pain if they were all green.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If people are putting containers into their "compost" bin, I don't think the problem there is what colour it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Cans are not the issue.

    They were included in this scheme so re-turn can make money and the fact this isn't a recycling scheme, it's a scheme to get the poorest in society to collect trash.

    The fact that cans will now not go in domestic recycle bins means the collection companies will now add a premium to negate their loss.

    But remember this is cost neutral, right?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    I don’t think there’s any evidence for that. Uncollected deposits is certainly a stated part of the funding stream, but there’s no indication that it’s the main part or even a major part. The legislation states:

    3) (a) The costs of operating a scheme shall be recouped from –

    (i) registration fees set by an approved body,

    (ii) producer fees set by an approved body on the basis of quantity and material type placed on the market,

    (iii) unredeemed deposits as provided for in these Regulations,

    (iv) revenue derived from the sale of returned in-scope bottles and containers,

    (v) any other income source created by an approved body.

    (b) An approved body shall set any producer and registration fees to meet only its costs of operation and not for profit.



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