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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Looking for a contract extension with Leinster would be my bet.

    Back row is one of few areas Welsh rugby is fairly healthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I'd like to see him involved in coaching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Am I correct in saying he was coaching one of the Leinster underage teams this Summer?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,428 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    He's a reason why leinster have won lot of their leagues but is also one of a few guys who prob would have been better off leaving to play higher level of rugby more consistently.

    I don't think it's that surprising he got what irish caps he got. And yeah I don't think anyone would begrudge him getting more international game time if it was available to him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    Rhys ruddock, Scott penny and max deegan has been an annoyingly exceptional back row to put out during international windows.



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  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I find it hard to believe he’d make a wales squad but he is a good player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    He's probably been kept on too long. How long is it since he was making the strongest XXIII? Two or three seasons? And Leinster were cruising to wins in most of the regular season games he featured in, so I think it would have made more sense to invest the gametime in someone on an upward trajectory, like Deegan or Alexis Soroka or Josh Murphy.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    It would surprise me, as i feel wales have some good back row options, and its a real indictment of their set up if you’re bringing in guys who are 33 and capping them, but I guess stranger things have happened.

    Hes been a great player for Leinster and I wouldn’t begrudge him if he can extend his career a little bit.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Mod: I don't know why you do this, but it stops here. His name is Alex



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Lia Sweet Racist


    He definitely goes by Alex now but he did go by Alexis Soroka all the way through school - was named in Irish underage squads etc as Alexis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Whatever he goes by, I just want to watch him play!!!

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Cheers. Very strange outburst from Podge_irl. I just go with whatever the players are known as when I first become familiar with them.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    MOD: It's not a discussion. His name is quite clearly and obviously Alex and has been for years and that is what he should be referred to as



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    I think the problem, Richie (or Richard, should I say :P), is that you only do this for foreign-born players.

    It's always Christiaan Johan Stander, Alexeis Soroka, Vakhtang Abdaladze, and Fua Leiofi Bundellu Aki. I sincerely doubt you first knew about all of these players by these names.

    It's never Jonathan Jeremiah Sexton (yes, that is his middle name), Gerald Conor Murray, or William Iain Henderson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Well, it's a bit different with foreigners. Personally, I think it's a bit sad - and a remnant of when they were second class citizens - to see Pasifika players taking on European nicknames like 'Charlie' Piutau and 'Israel' Folau. What's wrong with their original names? I think it's better to respect and promote their culture rather than them fitting into European norms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭ersatz


    thanks for clarifying that it's your anti racism that moves you to use those names.

    On Ruddock, to me it seemed for many years that his role as captain and mentor played a very significant role for much of the league season. A great soldier for Leinster.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Soroka was born in Cork. Max(imillian) O'Reilly in Wicklow. Maybe outside the Pale but hardly foreign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    On the topic of Rhystopher Ruddock, I would imagine Leinster have little use for him now. He has approximately 100 minutes of game time and that's not going to change in the next couple of weeks. His only purpose for the remainder of the season is potentially being a senior figure on a trip to SA.

    He has been mooted for a move into coaching and I noted he was running the water of late, bringing messages onto the field. He might be looking at that move with a Welsh side if there isn't anything immediately on the table in Leinster.

    I wouldn't begrudge him any move. Genuinely one of the most reliable and hardworking players of his generation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I believe Ruddock split with his long term partner in the second half of last year so could be looking for a completely fresh start.

    Brilliant servant and excellent leader. Wish him the best whatever he decides to do going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I agree with you. The IRFU won't sanction a loosehead with a lot of young depth in the pipeline. I can also see Healy holding on for another year to help out the transition.

    At scrum half, do I think they address the position? No I don't. I think they are perfectly happy with their pecking order and happy with the young lads coming through. They will address the position in the next few years if they aren't happy with the development of the young players.

    I've seen very little of Coffey but I do like that he is a multi functional scrum half capable of kicking. I really want Gunne and Coffey to push for the 9 jersey before the next world cup. It would really give Leinster a massive boost not having to worry about the 9 and 10 jersey for a decade.

    Tighthead is almost a certainty. I didn't see the Koch rumours ( I hope they are true) but I kept seeing news around Leinster being interested in Trevor Nyakane. His contract ended after the World cup and he is now a free agent. I half expect Nyakane to go Japan for a short term deal and then come to Leinster next season but I also wouldn't be half surprised if Leinster picked him up now with Furlong not being around the squad at the moment. He is definitely on the older side but I think Leinster will actually prefer his age profile being a bit older so he isn't impeding the long term development of Tom Clarkson and Rory McGuire.

    A bench front row trio of Cian Healy, Ronan Kelleher and Trevor Nyakane would be amazing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,021 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    How many games he's he played this season? I presumed he was injured but with the likes of baird and Conan covering 6, I really don't see him getting much gametime. I wouldn't begrudge him a move to play regular club games and maybe some Wales internationals while they get Iver their back row injury issues.

    He's free from mid Feb as it's 3 years since he last played for Ireland against France. If you love something, let it go. I think his career is going backwards in leinster, and for good reason. Why wouldn't they pick the likes of Baird and Moloney when he's back? And Conan/Doris starting 6 when everyone's fit? He's probably 4th or 5th choice blindside and he's 33. A move would be good for what's left of his career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,021 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Wales have injuries at back row. From the article:

    "Wales coach Warren Gatland faces a potential back row injury crisis, with Jac Morgan, Christ Tshiunza, Taine Plumtree and Taulupe Faletau all injured."

    It would be short term cover while they blood young players and get the injured players back. He's 33 so it wouldn't likely be anything other than short term anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I think Leinster might have tipped their hand to Ruddock and he is maybe leaving before he is pushed out of respect to the immense contribution he has made to Leinster. Giving him the opportunity to leave on his terms.

    Players like Max Deegan, Ryan Baird, Jack Conan and Caelan Doris are ahead of him in the pecking order.

    I'm also guessing Ruddock and his team have already had discussions with Wales about the switch as there is no way the rumours came out of the blue.

    They must be open to the idea if it is openly being discussed now.

    A great leader of men and at his peak was a brilliant flanker. If he does go to Wales, I hope he can do a job for them and continue his career. Would love to have him back in a coaching capacity when he finally calls it a day.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,538 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The lack of games during the 6N and the fielding of stronger than usual teams over Christmas has really hurt his chances of getting game time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,021 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Christ I forgot Deegan. Yeah I'd also like to keep him on good terms, especially if he's into coaching. Always seemed like an admirable man and a really hard worker. If he's worth a shot at coaching then I'd be delighted to see him back in a few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jonok28


    And there is even more depth coming down the line with the likes of James Culhane and Alex Soroka. It would be a disservice to Ruddock to keep him in the set up if the opportunities will potentially be few and far between.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,628 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Would hate to see him playing for Wales. He had the worst luck with injuries over the years, deserved more caps. He was the best 6 in Ireland for a good few years. Surprised he hasn't looked to France, wonder would Lancaster be interested in bringing him to Racing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,369 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    JOB has a neck injury and will miss the next few months. Awful for him as he's in career best form over these elast few seasons. Great opportunity for TOB to break into the full strength 23 though.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,021 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    With hansnen out for the 6N it would have given him an opportunity there too. Stockdale will get his chance.

    Also with JOB out it gives Zebo an opportunity as the only full-time full back replacement. JOB was likely to cover that role in the squad.

    Not great for leinster over the next 2 weeks but opportunities for TOB will be good to see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Jimmy O’Brien has picked up a neck injury and will be unavailable for a number of months.

     

    Martin Moloney has picked up a bicep injury and will be unavailable for a number of months.

     

    Alex Soroka picked up a foot injury in training last week and will be unavailable for selection this week.

     

    There are no further updates on: Charlie Ngatai (calf), Cormac Foley (shoulder), Ross Byrne (arm) and Jamie Osborne (shoulder)



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