Israel/Palestine Thread

It's really simple: your equations are fundamentally flawed because they're predicted on the assumption that Israel and Russia are exactly the same. The exact opposite is true in every conceivable respect.

Russia is the largest country on Earth. Israel is one of the smallest. Russia wants to kill all its neighbours, Israel's is trying to avoid being killed by its neighbours. Russia is an authoritarian kleptocracy, Israel is the closest thing the Middle East has to a secular democracy. Most importantly, the government of Gaza is a terrorist government whose stated and repeatedly manifest objective is to kill the Jews. Ukraine's stated and manifest objective is just to continue existing - at no time was Ukraine bent on the annihilation of Russia and all its people, nor has that been the objective of anyone since 1945. As to your ridiculous comparison with the Azov fighters, civilians were allowed to take refuge in the Azov steel works towards the end of the siege of Mariupol.

So I have literally no idea what you're getting at with your patently absurd comparisons, except to try to hoodwink people in thinking Israel is acting in a vacuum or to mislead people into think that Israel's situation is any way comparable to Russia's.

That is a lie. The ethnicity of the people involved is irrelevant. The background and context are what matters. Israel and Russia are not comparable in any way.

That is a lie. Israel's and Russia's situations are diametrically opposed in every imaginable respect. Your comparisons between the two are transparently absurd. The ethnicity of the peoples involved is irrelevant.

Repeating a lie - in your case that my standards have anything to do with the ethnicity of the people involved - does not make it true. The same is true of your bizarre comparisons between Israel and Russia.

Both of these are transparently absurd.

It looked like you were equating the two. My standard is simple - Ukraine was not threatening Russia, so Russia has no casus belli against them, i.e. they are the aggressors. Gaza has been waging a long term war against Israel, so Israel has legitimate cause for war. Israel and Russia's motivations for war as well as strategic landscapes are also diametrically opposed. That's why I hold Israel to a different standard to Russia. And that's why I blame Hamas for everything that is happening now, and regard Israel as entitled to take vigorous self-defense. Same as I support Ukraine in doing literally whatever they have to do to make the Russians go away. Simple enough?

And I still don't understand your comparison between Hamas tunnels and the Azov tunnels. There was never any issue with Mariupol civilians getting shelter in the Azovstal works alongside the Azov brigade, again, the conduct of Ukrainian defenders and Hamas terrorists were diametrically opposed.

Outraged ??? Just trying to make sense of such a roundabout answer when Yes or No would have sufficed.

No it was slow as I was trying to make out your typing. It was like something from Romper Room.

I just watched an interesting CNN report (Tapper) about these two individuals.

From Reuters (paywalled):

"The U.S. State Department on Tuesday slammed recent statements from Israeli Ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir that advocated for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza, calling the rhetoric "inflammatory and irresponsible.""

Also, posters on here extolling the virtues of Israel towards the LGBT community, take note.