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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • #13022
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    6 weeks to the BIG one… who we got, lads?

    Still won’t believe till the day of the fight!!



  • #13023
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Miller arrested

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    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • #13024
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121571340#Comment_121571340

    Rootin for Usyk, expecting for Fury. Agreed, until the weigh in is complete and we see two lads answer the ring walks it’s not actually happening.



  • #13025
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Right now AJ v Wang would be great fight,

    Lots of question still around both, It probably to tricky a fight with not much to gain for AJ so doubt it'll happen ,

    Wilder v Parker was odd, Wilder looked like he never even tried to put the foot down & get Parker out, At least in the Fury fight he went for it,



  • #13026
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121571340#Comment_121571340

    Its crazy how a couple of months can change things,

    Usyk looked average against DDD & for the world your thinking Fury has to be Fav but then Fury goes and stinks the place out against Francis,

    In my opinion the fight goes down to Furys legs in, if there gone which it looked like in large parts of his last fight, he is in trouble , but if Francis was a once off , Fury on form wins,



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  • #13027
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    eddie keeps mentioning nganu as a possible March opponent for Aj but who wants to see that crap

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  • #13028
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121574120#Comment_121574120

    Yes. Saw that. So fooking stupid..



  • #13029
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121574120#Comment_121574120

    Course he does its easy money , To be fair that is Eddie's job ,



  • #13030
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121574162#Comment_121574162

    It’s not really a promoters job to make Mickey Mouse matches. And using “money” as a reason doesn’t excuse it. There is plenty plenty money to be made from making legitimate matches



  • #13031
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121574300#Comment_121574300

    His job is to make his client the most money possible, .

    AJ v Francis is the biggest pot AJ can get right now with Wilder fight dead and also with Fury & Usyk engaged ,

    Ye we all want to see big fights but AJ would be mad to turn down that Francis fight next, Let's be real here we'd all take the easy fight for far more money , Especially when the other big fights are off the table currently



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  • #13032
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121574402#Comment_121574402

    Like I said, using money as a justification of it being a promoters job doesn’t excuse it. It’s a sham match. AJ is worth tens of millions, as is Eddie. He could make plenty millions, and as much (possibly more) against actual elite heavyweights.

    promoters don’t just promote fighters. They promote the sport and are supposed to promote (to the fans) proper and legitimate matches.

    but agreed, it likely is an easy fight for a very good payday.



  • #13033
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121574559#Comment_121574559

    Its prize fighting & its a job , I never understand the outrage when a lad takes a fight that will make him more money ,

    Especially when there no other massive fight right now for AJ,

    I'll be the first to complain if he's taking easy fight for the same or less money but when there is a bigger financial incentive i 100% understand why they do it ,

    ,



  • #13034
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    If Joshua gets Ngannou then that’ll be Franklin, Helenius, (attempted Whyte), Wallin and Ngannou since a real fight. What a joke.



  • #13035
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121572541#Comment_121572541

    I have a feeling Fury might look old over night in 6 weeks time. Slower, ponderous, searching, unsure, out of rhythm..



  • #13036
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121575037#Comment_121575037

    I’d have to do the untihinkable and watch the entire Ngannou fight on YouTube to see if I subscribe to this theory. I think it’ll all look so obvious at the end. Fury’s legs are done or how was Usyk ever gonna really beat a proper HW champion. All the negative looking stuff has come from Fury that’s one indicator



  • #13037
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121575709#Comment_121575709

    Have to agree, it'll be one or another,

    Fury just looked so so bad against Francis only he knows why, are the legs gone or was he in kind of stuck in the the middle,

    It's possible he didn't want to go put it on Francis & get hurt or cut for this fight & got caught in no mans land as its been such a long time that punch & move has been his style , Only he really knows ,

    Also Fury weight nearly 10 lbs heavier in the Francis fight than he did in the previous two, So maybe he did take it lightly

    Ye shall find out soon enough



  • #13038
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Fury probably thinking two ways to win. Ugly via mauling and swarming and using size/weight, or slick via length and height and range. His weight for these two scenarios important. Heavy for ugly and light for slick



  • #13039
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121575770#Comment_121575770

    I dont fully agree. If he comes in very heavy then he can only win ugly. If he comes in light then he’ll still be more than heavy enough to win ugly and sap energy but he will have some movement. I expect him to come in lighter than recently but not by a whole lot



  • #13040
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121576269#Comment_121576269

    He can win ugly at any weight. I know this. I just reckon he has two ways to win; and of course, he can adapt during the fight.



  • #13041
    reclose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭reclose


    If you’re Fury you’d have to be using your advantages and that’s mauling in this fight I reckon.

    Both are good boxers so that’s fighting to Usyks strengths.



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  • #13042
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Fury changed his style when he moved to sugar hill as we know but was that to adapt to him getting older and slower or was that purely for wilder and then he preferred it, Chisora and Whyte fights didn’t really tell us much about him tbh because he beat both of them at ease and didn’t even get out of first gear.

    what annoys me about fury is how he balloons up between fights and I always think how good he would be if he kept in reasonable shape but saying that he’s a world champion and Aj who never goes out of shape isn’t so I give up lol

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  • #13043
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121576324#Comment_121576324

    Yes, but even strict boxing, Fury has 5 inches height and more length/reach. He could outbox Usyk mid to long range..



  • #13044
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    I think he will keep him at long range if he can, usyk has crazy speed and peppers the body and head with shots to confuse the opponent

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  • #13045
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121576281#Comment_121576281

    Yea but it would be foolish for him to come in super heavy because that makes it more difficult for him to adapt should that plan not be working. 10lbs lighter and he is much more mobile and bouncy



  • #13046
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121576617#Comment_121576617

    Yes. It’s not an exact science. Needs to be mobile. Can’t afford to be ponderous and sluggish.

    Fury is a big big man. He has a window. Between 255 and 275 really and he’s at “fighting” weight. It’s really how he goes about using his weight and size.

    Big question I feel is can he pin Usyk down enough to impose his size? I don’t think he can, for two reasons: 1, Usyk has great movement and stamina, and 2, Fury won’t be as quick and nimble dnd fleet-footed enough



  • #13047
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121576636#Comment_121576636

    Just watched the Ngannou fight. Very poor from Fury moving so restrictedly. His jab was decent in the mid rounds, which saved him. Followed it up with the right pretty well. If Ngannou had a bit more leverage in his hooks Fury was in big trouble in the 8th. The elbow was scandlous. I’m not so sure it;s enough to quite say fury’s legs are gone. Ngannou is a far different prospect than Usyk. He was stronger than Fury and Fury was very wary of his KO power. However if Fury fought like that then I could see Usyk beating him.

    Yea I reckon he’ll come in around 260 which is trim for him.

    I’ve said a few times, a lot depends on the referee. Fury will maul and foul where he can.



  • #13048
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,469 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Reports AJ-Francis a done deal



  • #13049
    squinn2912
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121577163#Comment_121577163

    Silly fight but it’ll keep the whole thing warm. After the unification fight I can see the belts being broken up. That fight could even be a draw. That will give Joshua a chance to fight for a version against another contender rather than taking on a champion. If Usyk were to win convincingly then what does Fury do? He has more to lose, I feel. Usyk can only enhance what’s already there.



  • #13050
    Ruginator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Ruginator


    Confirmed by Eddie Hearn on Twitter. Done deal. AJ v Francis.

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  • #13051
    reclose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭reclose


    A hypothetical question.

    Do you think champions know they’ve lost a step when in camp? And if they do, do they still think they have enough to beat the challenger anyway or just turning up for the pay day.



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