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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Most Legal migrants come here with jobs that are skilled and make up the majority so it's logical their education can be better than the natives . Someone trying to make out asylum seekers or refugees are more skilled than natives is laughable .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    If many people are unaware of the origin of these phrases, as you admit freely here, why would would call someone far right for using them then?

    The vast majority of people are actually closer to each other on this issue than social media, including this site, would suggest.

    There's falsehoods spread by both sides because neither can admit that there's some truth in each other's arguments. Legal immigration, through the visa system, is without doubt a positive for this country. I work with many people who have come to Ireland through this process and they all love it here (well apart from the cost of housing). There's also a massive issue with the asylum process. If there's no enforcement then the process may as well not exist.

    People arriving here looking for asylum should be treated with respect and dignity. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't be immediately deported if their claim is denied though. Let them reapply for a visa from their home country, like every other legal migrant who comes here.

    It also needs to be repeated that the (true) far right is a vanishingly small cohort. They probably number in the 100's at most. Yet, you'd swear it was a massive problem. The (true) far left are far larger in numbers and right now are a bigger threat to this country IMO, which I'm sure you'll disagree.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    Since you're the expert on the topic, can you provide a position paper or link to where we might see the actual positions of "the far right"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    No, you said it not me. You originally stated how a white person is the only white person in a classroom in Britain when this wouldn't have been the case 50 years ago. There hasn't been any Jewish immigration in Palestine. Another country has invaded Palestine and stolen their land, just like what Russia has done with Ukraine.


    So let's go back to Britain as your example since you originally used it as your first example of the negatives of immigration. Again, what do you think should be the limit on non-white people in a particular area or school to prevent this "Mono Culturalism' you are so afraid of? Feel to post other solutions Haswell that you feel will ensure white people are the majority race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    A process that has so many loopholes for irregular migrants to stay here . The asylum system is too lax when you see the top nationalities applying are not from countries at war .Marriages of convenance ,student visas and amnesty's.

    Giving the highest welfare in the EU to Ukrainians and rushing to build them modular homes . A large number are not even in the war zone .

    Why do you focus on classrooms that are overcrowded when it's the whole country moving towards A minority.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,048 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The Irish Freedom Party in its own words : "Nowadays, the term 'Far Right ' is generally used to smear anyone who sensibly opposes EU federalism, mass immigration and the sexualisation of children. Basically , anyone who displays common sense. The Irish Government are quickly gaining a reputation world wide for its disastrous mass immigration policies. Their clamp down on free speech is being discussed, as well as the selling out of Irish sovereignty to Brussels."

    As a non member of the far right, which parts of the above statement do you disagree with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Explain to me how the whole country is moving towards a minority?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭ECookie13


    Are you aware of what happened in Birmingham over a couple of decades, and how that city is now?

    I live in a small town and local Irish are the minority now there as a simple walk around on a Saturday evening will show that. The post office gets serious business every Wednesday it seems though, if you get my drift.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    A lot of people must be delighted with this, asylum seekers in D4 finally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    What's wrong with Birmingham nowadays? I was there for the first time last year and it's nicer than I thought it would be tbh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    lol maybe, but as a D4 head, I cant even picture the building, where the building is located is the start of commercially owned properties so its on the margins. Also Im going to wager they will only put "model" refugees, Ukrainians perhaps so nobody will be bothered by that, not like 200 single "military aged men"

    there is an opportunity cost though in terms of providing renal accommodation to people working in the city,its a perfect spot for young workers who want to avoid commuting and want to live in a nice area, pay your taxes and get to the back of the bus

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    So what percentage of non-white people do you think should be allowed in every town and village in Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    yeah that seems to be what the people that wanted them there are saying now, oh they'll only put families and women and children there, so we'll have to wait and see. i hope it's mostly men anyway just to shut them up. the one near me is mostly men, i think, and am unaware of them causing any problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    I get the impression many in our country and government yearn for it to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Carlito Brigantes Tale


    If it happens (and it's a big if) they will be vetted within an inch of their life and you can be assured it will not be single men only like they've been dumping in working class areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I don't know anything about it really, but isn't it the Tories that govern England and not some religious code? I thought Sharia was just some religious behavioural code for muslims, e.g. eating halal food etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭rgossip30




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I never realised Birminghan became an independent State. One learns something new everyday on Boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze



    In economics, "far-right" typically means libertarian.

    This means less Govt spending, lower taxes, less State intervention, more free markets.


    In economics, "far-right" is not related to migration. I expect that libertarianism would not be against immigration.


    Indeed, in history, it was socialists who were often against immigration, fearing that it depressed wages.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Nissar Hussain, a man who was very nearly beaten to death and has been subjected to daily abuse after he converted from Islam to Christianity.

    In Bradford, England.

    In 2015.

    Yeah, paranoid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    yeah, paranoid. some religious weirdos bullied someone and battered him, and you think that means the city is under sharia law. there are religious nutters everywhere, we had them here and probably still do for a long time. any muslims i ever knew or worked with in the uk were lovely people, many of them drank etc. they're not going to convert you don't worry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Sharia law, as used by Sharia councils, is very much being practiced in the UK. You're own articles says as much with 85/90 such councils in operation.

    Those councils would be somewhat similar to Catholic tribunals but have a far wider scope and nothing like pre/post marriage counselling.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    It's not, because it isn't the law. Sharia is a form of Islam. In some countries, the rules laid down in sharia are legally enforced and is a countries legal system, hence why it is called Sharia law in those countries. In the UK any decision made by a Sharia Council cannot be legally enforced, hence the reason Sharia law does not exist in the UK. In the UK they use the common law system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I never once said it was legally enforceable in the UK so put that little argument back inside your own head please. Sharia, Sharia Law, Islamic law, are all the same thing, even the article YOU linked shows this. I'm not saying it's the law of the land but there are laws that many Muslims abide by that come from Sharia law. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. Many sports have laws that members/players in those organisations have to abide by. It doesn't mean they are somehow the law of the land.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Screenshot_20240104_212346_Chrome.jpg

    So this bloke is wrongly tagging a site beside my parents house as somewhere where asylum seekers will be housed, at least he's implying this.

    Some kind of old folks accom is being built there.

    Surely he should get a talking to from the Garda about this kind of thing? I really don't want buildings going on fire in the neighbourhood. This is getting ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751


    Old folks is it? Yea the country has heard that one before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    They're building new structures, for old people.

    Either way he's spreading rumours that's getting buildings burnt down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,514 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




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