EV Depreciation

Not quite, but along those lines and I’ve genuinely zero interest in leeching a few kWh from someone just to own a car with a different propulsion system.

a car is either a convenience or an inconvenience. If I’m stopping or charging on a journey I do nonstop all the time, it’s an inconvenience, and my 1,000km diesel lives to fight another day :)

once there’s a reasonably priced EV that can do my 350km winter journey, I think myself and a lot of others will be onboard

EV database shows the 3 at 305km @110km/h in -10 and having looked at various Youtube and international EV sites the range in 5ish degrees @120km/h averages 280-350km. Bear in mind it's not feasible to look at 100-0% charge as in practice you need a bit of a buffer. 110 would be absolutely fine but the jump to 120 takes substantial energy.

i am in exactly the same situation as you, and looking at the same car with the same budget.

ive also started trying to get a bit more money to try and get into a tesla model 3. im hoping prices will drop more soon in next 2-3 weeks.

I’ll stalk you so if you don’t mind to see what you do 😀

Ive a 15yo car getting NCTed Jan so will be “presenting” that as my bargaining chip to the lucky salesperson too 🤪

While I’ll try to sell it for cash I’d doubt I’ll get much of a bite so likely it will be dealers I’ll go through when buying my EV.

Really the only thing stopping me right now is just how much will EVs drop by? I’m tempted to wait till Feb or even March just to see what the trade-ins are like and how they’re priced- I think it’s just a bit early to go to the showroom right now for me.

Where did I say people would drive Dublin Cork and back without stopping? Obviously at destination they stop, do their business and off the go on the return journey.

I wouldn't need to stop if I was driving from Cork to Dublin and I'd suspect the majority of people are similar.

In your case you said you need to make a stop en route anyway so charging along the way is ideal for you.

The low hanging fruit is still being picked.

It's penetrating those without home charging that's the next big challenge.

So it's far from an irrelevance.

i am offering a very simple solution to something that you are presenting as a problem, i am deadly serious.

My round trip is often cork - Smithfield and back. An ev would introduce a new stop to charge.

going back to the thread though the question is “why bother” and that is the issue evs have. If the tco for an ev was significantly less then one might live with the disadvantages, but if the tco is equal or higher than an ice then aside from the climate zealotry the ev struggles to make a case for itself which is what is happening right now. For many they are being offered what they perceive as a product of less utility; and my view would align with that.

cant find the right cars at the moment from dealers. im aware of near 2-5k markups on what dealers are offering people to buy their cars and what they are selling for to the public

Heres what I’m thinking- if they’ve got stung in terms of what they’ve given say in November/December for EV trade ins, they’re going to be offering less now to people trading in - so we’ll hopefully see lower prices and much better supply in the next 6 weeks- I think you could probably bargain them down if desperate to buy now and I’d certainly have no problem walking away right now if they didn’t come down significantly but I think I’ll wait and let the supply increase a bit more - it gives us better bargaining power

Yes I was specifically referring to apartments without dedicated spaces which is quite common in Limerick. Also houses without driveways would have a similar issue

Renters need to speak to their landlord

I can see how that conversation will go 95% of the time

Renter: Will you install a car charger for me?

Landlord: I just remembered I haven't given you a rent increase yet in the last 12/24 months

Is the upside in CO2 and NOX reduction a factor for (m)any? Isn't that surely the biggest upside from an EV, that we're doing something to f-up the planet and environment a bit less than us and our parents did?

For those who can afford them, what's a little inconvenience around planning long trips compared to a less habitable planet for our kids' generation?

*This obviously doesn't refer to or include climate change deniers and China/US/some-othercountry/Green-Party-bad/Ditch-the-car-completely/Greta-is-a-witch whataboutists who can ignore this post.