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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    There's a couple of players who've stepped up and are deserving of opportunities. O'Toole has been very good and should be looked at for the 23. Baird is deserving of the 6 shirt, then again Prendergast has been brilliant. I'd get 1 of these lads straight in. POM has no form to speak of. Murray should be eased out. He's been poor. Connors and Timoney have been excellent. Hume deserves a look. Faz has some decisions to make. If form was an indicator, the team and squad would look different than the world cup squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 oso92


    I've come away from those interpro's feeling a bit worried for the 6n campaign.

    Very few of our front liners are hitting the heights of last season / the world cup which is understandable to an extent but they would want to find some form fast.

    Props: Furlong has not played much at all and there are lingering concerns about his form over the past 12-24months. I would be tempted to start Bealham who I believe has acquitted himself really well when asked.

    I don't know if I just have PTSD post the world cup but every time I watch Porter scrummage now it's through my fingers. He does seem to bore in a lot but I appreciate there are a lot of moving parts. Loosehead depth is also a concern - Healy is 54. Kilcoyne is injured. Who is the next cab off the rank?

    Hookers: We're grand.

    Second Row: We're grand.

    Back row: POM hasn't played, and I think we should be looking to try some new combo's. Whether that's Baird at 6 who has been brilliant, or moving Beirne there to allow for a McCarthy / Ryan 2nd row combo.

    JVDF doesn't seem to be at the races. Hodnett is playing v.well but there are likely concerns about his size. Potentially we'll see Will Connors return to the fold. He had an excellent outing against La Rochelle?

    Scrum Half: JGP has also been sluggish, and I don't know who the obvious 2 is. We have to start moving on from Murray but no one is putting their hand up.

    Fly Half: It's probably Crowley but he's hardly made it his own. The Leinster 10's are playing pass the parcel with the jersey. No one has owned it. Good individual performances are backed up by shite ones or they are rotated.

    Centre: Aki, McCloskey and Ringrose would be my top3. Henshaw hasn't found form, and arguably shouldn't be in a Leinster XV. I'd love to see Osborne given a go.

    Back 3: We haven't seen Lowe. Keenan and JOB haven't been shooting the lights out. Hansen has looked good. I'd like to see Nash given a crack. And dare I say it.. I think Zebo has looked good albeit with a limited body of work to go on. But how much better could he look behind a good pack with fast, clean ball?

    I have a more general concern with our systems. The lineout across every province is faltering, and it was an Achilles heal during the world cup. WTF is going on? Leinster are not attacking with the fluidity we're used to, and generally some of the attacking plays from all provinces have looked quite anemic.

    I think form and age should give Farrell licence to try some things this 6N. The worst possible outcome is a coming 3rd or 4th without having rolled the dice at all.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Question marks around 3,6,9,11 for me. Furlong has no form at all, POM & Lowe are yet to feature and I don't think any of our 9s are in particularly good form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,477 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Form in the next two European rounds could be significant. I think you could forgive established Ireland Internationals dropping their levels in November and December after the WC, but now they need to get back up the hill to peak performance as the 6Ns is just 4 1/2 weeks away now (thankfully!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,093 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Ahern and Forde are two players who have impressed since the start of the season, I hope to see them both involved in the squad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Its exactly a month until start of 6 nations - I think Baird will start 6 , POM may need more time to get back up to full test match fitness. Same for Lowe. Bealham may start too. Looking forward to see Jack Crowley at 10



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Ahern has been good. But I think Prendergast is more the type of player for faz. Murray should be jettisoned and Casey given a better look. Watching Blade v Munster, I was not impressed. He's a pest and good for looking for a hole around rucks but overall he's not international standard.

    I'm worried about the 6nations too. Many lads not performing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    As with the RWC squad, there are going to be guys who are playing well that are left out and guys who aren't playing as well included. Simply going to be a matter of numbers.

    The stand out spot to me right now is blindside where each province has a guy that is excelling for their team. But there's very little chance that they'll include all of them...and it's unlikely that they'll even include three of them. Baird, Ahern, Prendergast and McCann are all in the mix although McCann is likely to be out of the running with his ankle injury. Then we have someone like Doris that is looking relatively off colour right now who is guaranteed inclusion. I'd imagine Baird and Prendergast are the likely inclusions. Ahern might get in as a hybrid type guy or if they want to bring 5 locks (only included 4 for the initial squad this time last year).

    We've a number of problem positions. Bealham is probably front runner for tighthead right now. Furlong should be included but really needs to prove himself quickly and TOT will also be there. Loosehead isn't as clear. Kilcoyne is injured and old. Healy is just back and old. Loughman isn't really looking anything too special these days and seems to have regressed a little from where he was last season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a left field choice at loosehead to bring someone in and work on developing a high potential player like Boyle.

    Halfback is the other sh*tshow. I expect JGP to remain in situ for the opener but it's not a firm selection. A month ago, I'd have backed Casey to start but his form has dipped a bit in recent weeks. Murray has been simply poor and will be included, I expect, but fortunate to be. Blade and Cooney appear to be very much outside the plans for Farrell, on past selections with Blade being closer overall. I would be very surprised at this point if Farrell/the IRFU had not contacted Raffi Quirke about moving over to Ireland. He's eligible for selection in a year and is still only 22 (made his England debut shortly after his 20th birthday).

    Outhalf is going to be Crowley plus two. Crowley and RB are comfortably the most suitable candidates but RB won't be back for France which means we're likely to have Frawley and AN Other included with Billy Burns and Harry Byrne the most likely options. Whilst Billy has played the best rugby of any provincial outhalf this season overall, he might just not be viewed as a potential test player after his prior involvements but I'd be happy for him to get another go.

    Backs pick themselves at this point with the one note that Henshaw doesn't deserve a spot in the overall squad at this point in time but probably will be in the 23 jersey as it stands.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    One new aspect to selection this season, at least for the presumed majority of the squad, is going to be the difference in playstyle between Leinster and Ireland. I would reject the notion that they played the same game last year - Leinster were already more kick and pressure focused than Ireland, but it was certainly a lot closer then the current iteration of Leinster is likely to be to Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭EachSmallChime


    Mack Hansen was huffing on oxygen walking off the pitch yesterday, looked bad and one would have to suspect his six nations is in doubt.



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  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Benjamin Cold Sorbet


    Yeah, potentially both wing positions are up for grabs right now, given Lowe hasn’t played either since the RWC.

    No one has really stood out as a winger across the four provinces this season too IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    11. Stockdale, 14. Jimmy O'Brien, 15. Keenan back three? - with Nash, Lowe and Daly/Zebo in the squad.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Ringrose to the wing. And give Hume or Frisch a go at 13



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭50HX


    We are not that stuck for wingers to move Ringrose there, in match maybe as a necessity but not starting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    We are short top level wingers, Calvin Nash might get a call up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Think it’s far too early for Ahern to be called up. He has some brilliant moments but he’s a luxury backrow atm. If you look at how Baird and Prendergast have preformed in terrible conditions over the last few weeks, the dirty stuff mixed with standout, that’s far closer to what’s needed at test level. Let Ahern find his feet at Munster for a season or two first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,568 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The thing in Ahern's favour is he can play second row and back row, that versatility could have him included at the cost of someone else.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,493 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    He's in the same boat as Beirne and Baird but with less experience.

    I'd imagine Prendergast is next up if POM is not back, rather than shift Beirne to 6.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,353 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Like Beirne, Baird and Henderson???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    I think Connors could be the one called up if there’s a new back row brought in from the extended RWC squad, him or Hodnett but think Farrell would prefer Connors.

    6 POM Prendergast Baird

    7 VDF Connors

    8 Doris Conan



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,660 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Lowe and Hansen being out is a great chance to reward guys in good form like TOB, Nash and maybe give Balacoune another shot. Shame that Osbourne is out injured, I think he'd be in with a strong shot to make the 23 at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    killgallen (injured), Bolton and Stockdale other names that are in form. Although Bolton is very much in the power winger mould to replace Lowe, would probably need a longer run to be considered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,093 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Do we know when the 6n squad will be announced? Presumably pretty soon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jonok28


    It will never happen because they will want to win the 6 nations but there is a world in which a huge number of the internationals from the past 12 months could sit back and new blood be brought in

    Players like:

    Oli Jager, Roman Salanoa, Jack Boyle, Jeremy Loughman, Tom Stewart ,Edwin Edogbo, Joe McCarthy. Thomas Ahearn, Craig Casey, Sam Prendergast, Jack Carty, Jack Crowley Jacob Stockdale, Robert Baloucoune, Calvin Nash, Jordan Larmour, Stuart McCluskey, Cathal Forde, Antoine Frisch, Ciaran Frawley, Jimmy O'Brien, Shane Daly, Rob Russell, Tommy O'Brien etc...

    I'm not saying drop the entire World cup squad but there is plenty of talent in Ireland that deserves more of a chance.

    Resting players like Andrew Porter, Tadhg Furlong, Ronan Kelleher, Josh Van Der Flier, Jack Conan, JGP, James Lowe, Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Robbie Henshaw, Bundee Aki, Hugo Keenan and others gives them time to get healthy, rest there bodies that have been in war after war after war the past 12+ months and give others a chance, whilst allowing these players to rediscover form isn't the worst idea in the world, especially when other teams in the competition apart from France and maybe Scotland are all in rebuild mode themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I can imagine Ger Gilroy saying that first sentence on OTB.

    There is no world in which that happens for many reasons. One it’s disrespectful of our main competition, two we’d likely lose most of our games, three the mood music around the team would turn toxic with people calling for Farrell’s head, loss of prize money and dwindling crowds, four how do you think the key players getting rested who have short careers are going to react to being told they’re not needed for now. They’re just the ones that came off the top of my head but I’m sure there’s plenty more.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    However in this world absolutely no team competing in the 6N would even dream of doing this because it would be lambs to the slaughter and somewhere between pointless and counterproductive.

    What exactly is it you think this would accomplish?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Why would any country do something as ridiculous in the best yearly competition in the World?

    Ireland of all countries has a player welfare system in place to make sure the top internationals get the rest they need. Dropping the best players in the country in the blind hope that someone might be able to step up is a sure fire way to get the sack as head coach

    No other team is going to mass drop players. France did it once because they had a World Cup to aim for and look how that left them. They won't do it again and go all out to win everything from now on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Roman Salanoa! You're joking? He's injured 90% of the time.



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Everleigh Freezing Oasis


    Mack Hansen confirmed out of the 6N. Shite.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,093 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    And Lowe still MIA, could be a very different looking back 3 come February.



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