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Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    JD and GH were in cahoots?


    Yeah. JD, an already very successful man (I hesitate to say rich, as from the sounds of things despite a great income he was spending and thus likely borrowing ludicrous amounts of money on cars, bikes, fish tanks) agreed to throw away his business, and do up to 3 years in prison or whatever he copped in late 2022, all as part of a long scheme to get GH acquitted so that he can come back home in 2030 or so.


    Would you get up the yard. Really like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭40supple


    Stop you’re embarrassing yourself with this conspiracy theory FFS, it’s not a Hollywood movie

    The man is a dirty rat, it came out in the case, the very first time he had any dealings with the Gaurds post Regency was when he was stopped in Dublin Airport. He asked the cop for a deal at that point for Christ sake

    He wanted to play with the big boys and craped his pants as soon as it got heavy looking at big jail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭Noseygit


    Dowdalls life is fucked. He was a wreck during the court case. He had aged about 10 years with no future. He's hiding away for the next 10 years afraid of what might await him



  • Posts: 8,532 [Deleted User]


    How long was gerry banged up for awaiting trial?

    Its a small win i suppose. The least he deserved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 tallafella


    Never mind the chances of being charged if some scumbag kills themselves, flame grilled whopper style, while you are in pursuit of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭40supple


    Why, for allegedly pull a stroke nearly 30 years ago in which no one was injured and the money was insured?

    Go one, tell us exactly WHY GH deserves to be imprisoned?

    you’re talking pony as per usual



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    We don't know what happened in between those two happenings. Did they manage to infiltrate GSOC? The former investigator who was at the Hutch party was the head of an investigation into the death of Detective Supt Colm Fox, who was the lead investigator into the murder of David Byrne at the Regency Hotel in Dublin. He also had access to the Regency files. The investigator, last I heard, was allowed to leave Ireland. He had a heap of experience in a police force in another country... and... was hired over Zoom...

    Just doesn't seem right...

    Then there was the former superintendent John Murphy who was investigated on suspicion of aiding the Hutch gang. He was arrested in Midlands Prison, where he is serving a six-and-a-half-year sentence for possessing cannabis. Four other serving gardaí suspected of passing information to Murphy were suspended from the force in 2021.


    I'd buy GH is highly intelligent. Not the rest. Don't forget JD said that GH was terrorizing his mother and kids with death threats.

    Hutch has a working relationship with the IRA going back to the 1990s. You don't pull that off without being very savvy, fearless, and absolutely ruthless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Yes, its seriously questionable as to how the DPP agreed to charges based on the evidence they had at the time. Equally, it's bizarre he was not charged in connection to handling or facilitating the exchange of those 'three yokes'. They had a much stronger chance of conviction there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Spencer101


    JD is manifestly a liar so it doesn’t follow that the claims of death threats were true. If they were true the trial judge accepted that there was a Hutch OCG. The Hutch OCG was said not to be hierarchical so any threats may not have been made on the instructions of a ‘ Mr Big’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Spencer101


    There was some explanation after the trial on why Hutch was charged/ not charged with certain offences. As per an earlier post it’s all more than 9 months ago but the charges not followed through with were said, by some media after trial, to be due to not wanting to disclose some of the surveillance process ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Spencer101


    No sorry too convoluted. There’s on the basis of the trial findings a OCG. You know someone the OCG has a link to has a bugged car. Whilst you don’t want to drive around with one of your nephews or JG- if there’s a bugged car you don’t go in it. He if needed could have found someone else low profile. He didn’t know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Spencer101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    There is no Hutch OCG. There were several nephews of GH involved in serious organised crime but, prior to the years leading up to this trial, no journalist or Garda to my knowledge ever made an allegation that GH was actively involved in criminality after, at the very latest, the turn of the millennium, but likely the day after the Clonshaugh robbery.


    The guard making these claims about a Hutch OCG should have been forced to produce files showing this thing existed throughout the 2000s/2010s as they claimed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    Report in the indo yesterday about how of our 4800 prison inmates, 180 are considered as members of organised crime gangs and are classed into 19 gangs.


    Given there would be more than 19 crews in Dublin alone I presume a few gangs are rolled into one in the prison system for ease of keeping certain people seperated.


    What would they have in terms of keeping folk seperated:


    • Hutch associates
    • "Kinahans" (incorporates the Byrne associates and probably anybody non Rattigan aligned from the Dublin 8/ SIC general area, Rice's Tallaght mob, Westies remnants in Blanch aligned to the likes of Boylan and JOC, Flashy mob (who themselves are alleged to have split down the middle)
    • Monkey gang
    • Hennesseys, to be kept away from all of the above bar the Hutches (though the Hutches are kept away from everyone given there would still be money out for them
    • Rattigan loyalists
    • "Big" crew associates
    • Keanes
    • Ryans
    • Dundon McCarthy
    • Two rival mobs from Drogheda/ North Co Dublin
    • Two rival factions at war in Tallaght right now
    • Grendons "The Family" and associates in SW Dublin, though I'm not sure they're particularly at war with anyone bar a few threats to the Hennessys

    I think there's 3 or 4 mobs in and around Cork City but they have never been at war with each other and seem better at avoiding all the nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Every single one of them are pathological liars.


    A state witness’s family being threatened by the gang boss he is giving evidence against is like cheese and crackers. They go together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭Munstergirl854


    What's the latest on Hennessy Snr?papers saying he took a turn and it's not looking good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Spencer101


    The Court in April, 2023 accepted there was a Hutch OCG. It was said to be ‘galvanised’ in 2015/6 after murder of Gary Hutch and Regency. It is said to be involved in cigarette smuggling, sale of Benzos and theft/ high jacking at ports. The OCG is described as fluid. Multiple media reports say that Gerry Hutch in all likelihood came back to Ireland after the Regency to try and crisis manage. Other members of Hutch OCG were more immediately involved in Regency before and during. The regency was done by a OCG. You can debate how long they were around and what they did otherwise but it’s an OCG. All of that doesn’t contradict the fact that Gerry Hutch may have been ‘retired’ for 15 years.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Yes it's a while ago now since this was in the news. Not revealing the surveillance process as justification is difficult for me to understand seeing they had to reveal this in the book of evidence and in trial.

    Also, remember the lost tracker evidence in the PC thrown out or wiped, that was then found over a weekend.

    How can evidence gathered from an authorised surveillance operation be so close to getting lost like this? Yet as proved in other murder trials, tracking data can be key to conviction (O'Reilly, Dwyer etc.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭Spencer101


    If you are not from the you only deserve to be in prison if convicted camp…Gerry Hutch is linked to 2/3 murders from 1980s/1990s

    Post edited by Spencer101 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,854 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    I think a simpler explanation is that it's not usually policy under the Irish legal system to throw multiple different charges at people in addition to a murder charge. The lesser charges usually get dropped so that both sides can concentrate on the most serious charge.

    I think on balance this is a fair way to do it. America tends to do the opposite, throwing possession of weapons, drug offences, money laundering, wire fraud and a myriad of other charges into a murder trial. This puts the defence unfairly on the backfoot as 95% of the defence effort is naturally put into the most serious charge.



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  • Posts: 8,532 [Deleted User]


    Its something i suppose. Not a pleasent guy. I wont go into it but he didnt play the laws of the land. Delighted that he got a stretch even considering he was found innocent. Karma if you like.

    Some on here can put him on a pedestal all they want. Pony talk of the highest regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭mikewebber


    Something very fishy about that regency trial overall

    I don't know what it is



  • Posts: 8,532 [Deleted User]


    It was a sham from start to finish. The dpp obviously thought they would get conviction based on it being in the SCC.

    Im sure AGS and themselves will take some comfort in knowing Gerry served around 18 months anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭mikewebber


    It was almost like AGS didn't want hutch convicted



  • Posts: 8,532 [Deleted User]


    I see where you are heading that and id agree. He's always had a weird cushty relationship with AGS. I wonder why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,161 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 61,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Abusive account banned, don't feed the troll

    Grem



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Popuptent


    sittin in a coffee shop in amsterdam havin a natter with a mate who is well connected mate was sayin word goin round mcgov in dubai sold the byrnes out thought they were mates



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