"Green" policies are destroying this country

As I said, necks like a jockey`s behind.

Years of being asked for the costs of their own proposals with nothing forthcoming, where verifiable costings have been provided for just a section of this proposal showing how economically disastrous it would be to further pursue it, it`s back to "Show us your figures so I can again attempt to distract from how fcuked up what I favor is while again not showing a single cost for mine."

The thread title is about "Green" policies. Any party pushing the same nonsense will come in for the same criticism. The "anti environment" slur is pathetic. No green utopia will come to pass without an economically sustainable environment. The current "plan" doesn't deserve the title since it is crashing and burning as we speak. It's also a bit rich coming from the poster who doesn't even know what the "plan" is, due to ignoring all the links provided. In terms of workable approaches, there is no plan. Eamon Ryan jetting off to COP28 and announcing a transition away from fossil fuels is not a plan, it's a magic spell from the Green cult.

Why are you obsessing about Ireland? It's a global problem, remember? Whether Ireland gets nukes or not makes no difference to anyone except the Irish. Same with 50GW of offshore wind or a rapid expansion of natural gas plant. It has big implications for our economy, but none for climate change. I suppose it could be good for burnishing Eamon Ryan's green credentials when he rubs shoulders with the great and powerful. But as far as climate change is concerned, it's one giant nothing burger.

You're right, Ireland probably won't get nukes. There are too many hysterical voices against low-carbon reliable baseload power. There aren't enough legislators with any clue about energy economics. But cold, hard reality will bite them soon enough. A minor consolation from the whole affair is that things that can't happen won't happen. Let's hope that becomes apparent before too much damage is done. Meanwhile China, India and a whole bunch of east Asian economies -- the place that do make a difference to global carbon emissions -- already have nukes or plan to build them.

You want a plan? How about we create a level playing field for all forms of energy, to include both market pricing and dispatch priority. Impose carbon taxes and/or credits based on whole lifecycle emissions, and ensure that any changes are signposted well in advance (at least several years). That allows everyone to compete with confidence, and prevents damage to the economy by having governments betting on particular technologies. Greenies will probably realise that this would immediately decimate the wind industry. They are free to advocate for a higher carbon tax to save it, but at least they will then be forced to show their cards and come clean on the costs.

Neither nuclear nor renewables will save the planet. We'll need all of those and new technologies we haven't yet thought of for that. Ireland isn't going to be at the forefront of that, so a wait-and-see attitude is the only sensible one. We have time. The planet doesn't need as much saving as the more hysterical greenies bleat about.

Eamon Ryan is a leading spokesperson on green policies, is he not? As well as an EU policy negotiator at COP28? Don't worry, I'm happy to lambaste anyone with the same views.

Yes, that's all good and proper. As long as you separate anything that happens in Ireland from any implications for global climate change. There aren't any, therefore our local concerns should be primarily economic.

Boom, there it is, the complete disconnect between green policies and the economy that so many in favour of said policies suffer from.

It's like the magic money tree will just wish all those 100's of billions into existence and everyone will get this mythical cheap reliable renewable energy we keep hearing about.

Seeing as this post was about me but posted to another poster I did not see it until I noticed @ps200306 reply.Your posting record on this thread may be pretty dismal, but that is no excuse to you now resorting to lying.I never posted anything "about getting Sinn Fein into government". In fact I made it clear to you that I was no Sinn Fein supporter.

You were the poster that brought up your "trajectory" of Sinn Fein following Green Party policy. When that was pointed out to you, by not just me but others, for the nonesense it was you then doubled down on Ryan`s energy security review somehow believing it was the plan to see us having net zero emissions by 2050 rather than what it actually was. Ryan finally having to concede that he got it completely wrong on LNG and gas storage even with him having been repeatedly told by both the CRU and Eirgrid he was wrong. You didn`t do yourself any favors either when you didn`t know the difference between carbon neutral emissiond and net zero carbon emissions. Next up it was the sale and registration of ICE vehicles where you somehow came up with the idea that negotiations would be on-going for the next two years before you were shown Timmermans tweet of March showing that for just more of your nonsense and you ducked off to hide.

Rather than now resorting to lying, if you wish to be looked on as having any credibility, you would be better off holding your hand up to your own nonsesense and acknowledging it for what it was.

To everyone, both greens and anti greens can we at least wish each other a prosperous 2024.

You really cannot hrelp yourself can you.

You posted that Sinn Fein were on the same green "trajectory" as the Green Party. Along with telling you I am not nor ever have been a Sinn Fein supporter, as well as with others pointing out how wrong you were with links supplied, you just kept doubling down making yourself look even more foolish on energy security, 2050 net zero carbon emissions, carbon neutral emissions and ICE`s. yet here you are accusing me of a lack of knowledge on subject you clearly had not a clue on.

But you keep rambling away. It`s not making you look any more creditable,and I have better for doing than wasting my time on them.

What's all this NET-Zero talk about?

Sounds very much like the rich will buy their right to pollute off the poor.

Either cut out emissions altogether, rich and poor alike or feck off up the garden path.

Sounds very much like the 'purchases of pardon' or 'indulgences' that the catholic Church scam they used to employ.

FFS, are we still adhering to this system albeit recycled?

Easy enough for anyone interested to see who the spoofer posting nonsense is by just scrolling back.

But if you want to keep pulling that chain and flushing any little credibility you may have left on this thread, then you work away. I have better for doing than wasting my time on fantasists.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/farmers-caught-in-the-growing-competition-for-carbon/

I can confirm they weren't running last night in Limerick anyway

That’s a refreshing dose of reality and common sense. Thanks!