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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    And you would propose to house all those new arrivals where exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Barrilete Cosmico


    Just wondering what is the belief of the minority of posters who agree with taking in so many asylum seekers?

    Should we continue to do this forever and build homes for every person that shows up to our shores and has had problems in their own country?

    Surely it is unrealistic and dangerous to believe that "we have obligations" so we must take in asylum seekers and build houses for them indefinitely.

    They are never going to stop arriving. So when do we call a halt to it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,879 ✭✭✭donaghs


    People coming from Georgia are not being shot at. There are no direct flights to Dublin and they are passing transiting through other European countries as Ireland clearly has economic benefits that stand out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    There is absolutely no good reason to have a refugee camp in Ireland. They are justified in the very next safe area, but not across the world. Ireland is absolutely full and the gates needs to be shut now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    Fun? You think if you were a refugee in a field in Ireland, it'd be fun?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    All asylum seekers are authentic.

    You mean you are not a real asylum seeker until proved so. Otherwise we would have no need to categories refugees and the some will not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Silly reply. Let the poster answer. You guys are so angry.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    Georgia? The Georgia that has just been given EU Candidate Status - Georgia (country) - Wikipedia - That Georgia? Have the Georgians offended you in some way?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭tom23


    but they won’t be deported either. They know this, NGo’s know this. Are deportation are not up to scratch. I know that might not bothar you and your beliefs system but it makes a mockery of Leo’s rules based immigration.

    You a make application it’s refused, you loose an appeal, you are asked to present yourself and nothing happens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭tom23


    no no no we are first world rich. Have unlimited resources and therefore are the billy big balls world saviour. International Obligations our name, saving the world our game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    We have had two primary indigenous industries in this country.

    Two industries which we have been very good at developing, two industries that have continously been pretty good at bringing in much needed foreign money into this country and offering a fair amount of employment throughout the country and not just in major urban centres.

    Those two industries are tourism and agri sector.

    Nowadays both are under sever threat of destruction from government parties, in fact all political parties, the media and indeed a lot of people (a lot of posters here) who I would bet are employed by our multinational visitors, NGOs or maybe even arms of the public sector.

    The thing is those two industries are the only things we can traditionally rely on when the FDI and multinationals decide the grass is greener somewhere else.

    It has come to pass in the past when some foreign multinationals setup manufacturing here.

    I am old enough to remember Ford (Cork), DEC (Galway), Wang (Limerick), Dunlop (Cork), Asahi (Kilalla), Semperit (Dublin), Braun (Carlow), Krups (Limerick), Bush Tv (Dublin), Seagate (Clonmel).

    Now we have been lucky in that we attracted the likes of Apple, IBM, Dell that have stayed even with changes in fortune and morphed their existing plants into something else.

    We have been lucky in that we attracted and kept pharma/medical devices down through the years, but the list of big names above that left should be a lesson in that we can never bank on the future.

    Spending a fortune now on asylum industry/refugee industry is akin to the madness in construction fueled by cheap credit.

    Just looking at the economics, never mind the social costs.

    We are beggaring long term legitimate industries for very short therm gains for some connected ones, this time in accommodation and NGO sectors, all ultimately on the taxpayers dime.

    It is spending money we don't have, it is not creating or bringing any wealth into the country.

    It will not end well.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Posts: 0 Gibson Odd Twit


    They have skin in the game, or white Irish catholic guilt, or they hate Irish like Putin hates Finland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,629 ✭✭✭baldbear


    I see there are 35 people from the U.S claiming Asylum here.

    One lad called Clyde Turrentine, Google him. He has a mugshot from the US




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Unfortunately the left/virtue signallers does/do not like logic. In their world reality should not be allowed get in the way of our "obligations". But not our obligations to our own people, those do not matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    THEY DON'T CARE.

    The ones cheering for this lunacy will tell you that it is great that a small village with a hotel normally empty this time of year is now full year round.

    Shure isn't it giving work to some in the hotel.

    Isn't it giving work to the NGOs, caterers and the likes of the cash&carry that has government contract to supply the food.

    And besides isn't it making the place more exotic rather than having just pasty Irish round the place.

    That would of course be dollop of self hatred these people have for their own.

    But the thing these ones are not factoring into the equation is the people now staying in these hotels ...

    • aren't buying gifts from the local gift shop
    • aren't taking day trips using local tourist suppliers
    • aren't buying lessons at local surf centre or riding stables
    • aren't eating out in the local restaurants
    • aren't hiring cars or bikes
    • aren't drinking out in the local bars

    And most importantly they aren't bringing actual foreign money into the country.


    In 2019 foreign tourists (including NI) it is estimated by Failte Ireland added €5.6 billion to our economy.

    That is money into the country.

    The guests now sitting in hotels in Ballvaughan, Killarney, Bunduron are actually taking places that foreign paying guests could pay for with non Irish money.

    Instead the guests in these hotels are being paid for by the taxpayers of this country.

    If someone 20, 30, hell even 10 years ago had said we should send people on social welfare for a month to stay in a hotel in Killarney there would have been uproar.

    Well we are now economically doing exactly that for someone that only first stepped foot in the country hours before.

    It is sheer lunacy.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    An asylum seeker is someone seeking international protection.

    A refugee is someone who has international protection.

    It's amazing how many people fail to understand this, no matter how many times it is repeated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,273 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    When you say 'call a halt to it', how would you propose stopping refugees from boarding a plane or boat to Ireland? And if your plan is to deport them on arrival, what country would you deport them to? No obligation on any country in Europe to accept refugees and asylum seekers we wish to deport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Yes. But the point is we have people turning up claiming asylum and claiming to be refuge when they have no right too as an excuse to try and enter the country .

    Agreed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Overrun by Africans?

    People working in our hospitality sector is a problem for you? I thought tourism was important to this country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭jackboy


    If they have no obligation to take them that means we have no obligation to take them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    If you fancy yourself a comedian, well, don't quit your job just yet. If not, then who said anything about them working?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Everyone has the right to.

    It's up to the system to investigate.

    It needs to be much much quicker, absolutely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Putin funnells Arab migrants and refugees into Finland because he has a military objective to subvert and destroy that country, and he knows large-scale foreign immigration will help that.

    Irish people should take note. Unless you have some kind of military objective to burn down the Irish economy and subvert Ireland, you can't just load up on unlimited immigration. In terms of numbers, something like 1% of the population is a huge share of the population when you consider we are talking about year on year, decade on decade growth unless we call a halt soon.

    This guarantees fundamental changes to the country and culure within the medium to long term. (Surely this is obvious?)

    Some other (non-Irish) ethnicity could become the dominant ethnicity within the country in 2-3 generations' time and then they can take this country in strange directions that can't be foreseen right now.

    If the above is what you want to see happen, can you explain why it's what you want? I wonder do the immigration-boosters even understand their own motivations. Or do they just have a subconscious desire for (self-)destruction?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    And we have the right to immediately reject all applications from a small number of countries that make up a significant proportion of applicants. Same day or next day deportation will take a lot of stress off the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    You appear to care about everyone's rights.

    Well except the rights of actual Irish people for some reason.

    What exactly have you against Irish people?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    System needs to be significantly quicker, agreed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    You know what I couldn't give a flying fook what you term them.

    We have had enough, they are costing us an absolute fortune and are little by little destroying our country.

    Time for no more and time for most here already to be returned to whence they came.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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