Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

Only one person was killed, the gunman.

If I was the owner I’d hardly be happy to have someone killed on my premises or if I was a nearby punter I certainly wouldn’t be going to this place anytime soon . Maybe in Dublin people are so used to all the crime they don’t care anymore

That excuse of the kids have nothing to do is always dished out to excuse scumbags behaviour. Trying to cast the blame elsewhere instead of where it should be, at the scumbags parents. “Deprived” areas get much more investment then most other areas and it makes fcuk all difference.

Jesus christ,what it is it with this guy and the bullshit. It was a father and son targeted, the father was hit,known to gardai ,jnr has posted on insta since and folk on here confirmed it was senior. What more do you want? Clown as per

His wife's Facebook and his daughters

It's more complex than just providing facilities.

A lot comes down to parents and families.

One silver lining of the housing crisis is you're seeing gentrification of traditionally lower income areas like Crumlin, Drimnagh, Finglas, Cabra.

So at least the areas more mixed.

That was kind of my point

The standard thing rolled out by community leaders, TDs etc is lack of facilities etc. My point is that isnt really the issue imo in Ballyfermot. It is mostly parents, families, peers.

You have a point on gentrification, I live in a quiet older part of lower ballyfermot, slowly but surely it is improving due to decent hard working people buying the houses that go for sale, as they have been pushed out of buying in other more "gentrified" areas.

I wonder how many people got gift vouchers for the restaurant as present this morning.

Yes exactly. The eastern part of Ballyfermot is gentrifying quite rapidly as it's close to town and Inchicore/Kilmainham.

A Dart station on Kylemore Rd would do wonders for the area.

It takes time though.

Most of the deprivation is the Cherry Orchard area.

Facilities alone don't work. You need good parents/families and other role models like teachers, coaches, community leaders. Also early intervention programs.

Even with all that, it doesn't work on some people.

Don't get me wrong it's definitely not a perfect answer I agree completely, didn't get it across very well but I meant outlets like sports to dedicate to that teach a bit of discipline. My area has the parks and astro pitches aswell but they're just full of nitbags having sessions.

I agree mate thankfully I have good parents so I was wide growing up half the lads I grew up with are dead or locked up. But it's just not like that anymore ye don't see kids out playing football or hurling anymore they're walking around in moncler jackets by the time they're 11. Fair few fannies crying here over me saying outlets as if I meant its the only solution its definitely on the parents 100% but having an outlet such as a sport and good guidance from managers coaches etc is extremely effective. The parks and skate parks and shite like that, you can take a horse to water

Have many of these facilities that people have listed are free? Apart from the local skate park and park with a football pitch, I doubt anything else is.

It's not even about them having an outlet, it's generational thing now. The kids at all this now got it from their parents and them from theirs. And the ones whos families have no involvement in crime see the others in their expensive clothes and acting like they own the world.

Where before it would have been sell drugs/rob banks or whatever to survive mostly. These kids you see hanging round the place yes they want the money but seems like it's more the notoriety of it in their area, a somebody. That could be very hard to walk from for a skate park

I think the people in the middle are worth saving.

You've kids with good parents who won't get involved in this nonsense regardless and you've kids with **** parents who will regardless of what facilities or social programs you throw at them.

But there's kids in the middle who can go either way. They can be influenced and that's worth investing in.

Like I said before, you've huge areas of Dublin currently being gentrified a little like Ballyfermot, Crumlin, Drimnagh, Cabra, Rialto, Inchicore, Tallaght, Coolock, Finglas, Blanch.

If you talk to older people from these areas, they'll say that things have improved enormously in 20 years. Obviously still not perfect but moving in the right direction.

Recently it was reported that "Deis Schools" had a record number of kids going on to 3rd level. "Deis schools" are schools in deprived areas.

The benefits of gentrification is that areas become much more mixed. Not to sound like a snob or classist but you've better influences and peers in the neighbourhood and schools. Not that you already don't have that, but you have more.

Lots of young professionals are priced out of traditionally middle class areas so will buy in these areas as they've no choice. Loads are particularly buying in Crumlin, Drimnagh and Cabra which no offence to people from these areas were pretty rough not too long ago.

To accelerate this process, I'd be putting in Luas lines and Dart lines and stations.

For example a Dart station on the Kylemore Rd in Ballyfermot would do wonders for a 1km radius.

The Naas Rd area is about to see huge development in next few years.

It will be interesting to see what effect the Finglas Luas will have as that part of SW Finglas is one of the most deprived areas in Ireland.

If lots of the houses are in private ownership, then it could gentrify quite a bit.

Likewise Ballymun once the Metro starts construction. I can guarantee 1000s of apartments will go up and you'll see them filled with young professionals and tech workers. This then brings more investment like shops, cafes, restaurants, pubs etc which Ballymun has almost literally none of. If you told someone in Ballymun 25 years ago this, they wouldn't believe you.

Despite the bad headlines, these areas are already improving.

The thing is none of the good things make headlines.