So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

celtic_oz · 21-12-2023 12:32PM

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Seeing as I only quoted YOU I have no idea what you are banging on about.

Do you understand what quoted means ? Its hard to know based on your english "You just quoted when your claimed it yourself. "

You dont have to be a nuclear physicist to use this forum King.

21-12-2023 12:56PM

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Again, yes. I am aware of the dictionary definitions of things thanks.

I've explained my point to you in detail in the post above.

Cheerful S · 21-12-2023 09:49PM

If this ever does come out, the reset the debunkers will have to do will be off the charts.

The debunkers, who are dedicated to debunking various theories and claims, will find themselves facing a daunting task if this information ever becomes public. The magnitude of the reset they will need to undertake will be unprecedented.

Debunkers have been programmed to believe that certain hidden knowledge cannot be true. They believe that if this knowledge was truly significant, it would have leaked by now. They also dismiss conspiracy theories such as the assassination of JFK and the 9/11 attacks using the same language. However, the UFO cover-up is a much bigger endeavor that requires extensive efforts to keep it under wraps.

When it comes out all there points on here be in the dustbin of history and sooner it happens, the better.These points represent outdated beliefs, ideas, or practices that no longer hold relevance or meaning after disclosure.

silliussoddius · 21-12-2023 10:15PM

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You keep telling yourself this delusional narrative, it almost sounds like QAnon type revenge porn. Getting back at those nasty debunkers.

21-12-2023 11:34PM

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Debunkers have been programmed to believe that certain hidden knowledge cannot be true.

No one has been programed to believe anything.

People aren't convinced of your claims because you don't make convincing arguments.

And yes people dismiss claims about aliens and cover-ups along with other ridiculous theories because they are all similar unsupported and nonsensical.

robinph · 21-12-2023 11:36PM

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Is there any example of previous conspiracy theories which were claimed as fake nonsense by mainstream science and rational thinkers etc for decades, but then turned out to actually be true?

celtic_oz · 22-12-2023 11:01AM

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Off the top of my head :

Like that the earth revolved around the sun ?

That America existed.

That tobacco was bad for you?

That CO2 would create climate change ?

That light bulb manufacturers (philips et al) conspired globally to keep the lifespan of light bulbs at x no. of hours and set up a secret independent testing lab to call out any company who made their bulbs last too long with strict fines.

That the US government would secretly infect whole communities with Syphilis just to see what happens.

Most seem obvious now and in hind sight debunkers will say "THAT wasnt a theory at the time", tell that to the people who railed against the mainstream.

Dohnjoe · 22-12-2023 12:12PM

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Can you be confident there won't be some big disclosure regarding the "paranormal" over the next decade? Of course. Despite centuries of stories, evidence, testimony, files, studies, experts, etc - it's all BS. Just human nature, people wanting to believe in the fantastic.

Same goes for "aliens". Unfortunately the human capacity to make up and want to believe BS is unlimited

Personally, as a space enthusiast, I strongly believe there is life out there in the universe, also, by sheer maths, complex life, which could include intelligent organisms.

However, do I believe "aliens" are crash-landing spacecraft the "size of football fields" into our planet and murdering human beings? No. There is zero proper evidence for it.

Do I believe "alien spacecraft" just happen to be constantly caught on film, but just out of focus each time? No.

It's easy to call it out. I called out Grusch, and I was right. The day I am wrong about this, absolutely feel free to call me right out on it.

Dohnjoe · 22-12-2023 12:31PM

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There aren't "conspiracy theories".

Conspiracies happen all the time, on a daily basis, only have to switch on the news or open the newspapers.

Yes, at the height of the Cold War, with the world on the edge of nuclear war, the US (and Russian) governments did some pretty extraordinary things. The problem is that people cherry-pick from the past and use it to make up whatever they want. It's prolific. This forum is nearly 15 years old, it's essentially a catalog of people doing nothing but that. Can you point to a single prediction or conspiracy presented here that turned out to be true (out of the thousands)? Unlikely.

I want to believe in "aliens", but there's no evidence of it. Only evidence so far is of people really wanting to believe in "aliens". Cherry-picking stuff from history in order to hint that some of the innuendo may be true is meaningless.

robinph · 22-12-2023 12:39PM

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Not sure about the one about America existing one is about , but the earth revolving around the sun, tobacco being bad for you and CO2 being bad for the environment were proven by science and not by some grifters on the Internet of the day.

But in all cases evidence was produced to back up the counter points to what was previously the accepted point.

eightieschewbaccy · 22-12-2023 01:41PM

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Yep, also in the case of something like global warming, it's more often than not the conspiracy theorists that deny it. They'll blame media institutes and cover ups.

22-12-2023 02:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525422#Comment_121525422

None of those were conspiracy theories. They don't have any of the features common with conspiracy theories.

If your definition is simply "an idea that goes against the mainstream", then this appeals to a very vast array of ideas to the point that basically everything is a conspiracy theory.

A good example of conspiracy theories has been provide by cheerful. He compares the claims about UAPs etc to his beliefs about JFK and 9/11.

I think most of us agree with the comparison, but for different reasons.

There's no examples of any conspiracy theories actually turning out to be true. So it doesn't really bode well for your personal conspiracy beliefs.

22-12-2023 02:32PM

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It's very odd when you see conspiracy theorists explaining how doctors and scientists fighting the propaganda and lobbying of the tobacco industry is an example of a conspiracy. But then turn around and say how scientists and doctors are obviously in on a conspiracy and should leave the poor defenseless fossil fuel industry alone.

celtic_oz · 22-12-2023 02:59PM

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I called out Grusch, and I was right.

What do you mean ?

The rest is simply you repeating your oft held views on this topic, so much so that I'm surprised no-one has pulled you on it, maybe its because you write the same thing every time a slightly different way.

As you said yourself, deep down you are a few people away from being a believer!

If however, multiple credible people came forward with a specific claim, e.g. an arm of the government is concealing an "alien spaceship" in a warehouse at e.g. X address in Austin Texas, with specific corroborated details, then we are getting somewhere.

Once we find out the Italian UFO story is real, King will collapse too.

22-12-2023 03:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121526397#Comment_121526397

But that story isn't true and is obviously false. So it's not likely to be "found out."

If you have to wait for false stories to magically become true to changes people's minds, you might be waiting around for a while.

Cheerful S · 22-12-2023 04:28PM

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If the story were true, it is possible that Kingmob may go offline for an extended period in order to sort themselves out.

silliussoddius · 22-12-2023 04:53PM

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What kind of sorting out and why?

Cheerful S · 22-12-2023 04:55PM

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I am fairly confident that information regarding this crash retrieval program will soon be exposed due to the existence of a faction within the government that is willing to share what they know. This development marks a significant departure from past instances where high-level individuals have been reluctant to come forward and expose this knowledge. There is currently no good reason why the Pentagon UFO group would come forward and make these claims. Similarly, it is odd that congressional leaders would claim that information received from whistleblowers is credible if it is all nonsense.

Not UFO stories revolve around Bill and Jack, two farmers living on a farm. According to their story, they encountered a UFO while tending to their crops one evening

Grusch claims to have been similarly privy to information regarding secret government programs. According to Grusch, his access allowed him to gain firsthand knowledge from those who worked closely with the classified material. Grusch's statements suggest that there may be more than 40 individuals who have come forward with knowledge of classified government programs. The number of individuals willing to testify, if validated, would lend credibility to the existence of such programs

The inspector general of the DOD recently stated that Grusch's claims were found to be credible and urgent. As a result, any complaints filed must be accompanied by supporting evidence.

The revelation of Grusch's evidence poses a significant national security interest that requires careful consideration and approval. Firstly, there must be sign-off from various authorized individuals. These individuals are responsible for assessing the potential impact of the revelation and ensuring that it aligns with national interests.

Secondly, non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) must be removed. These agreements are in place to protect confidential information and prevent unauthorized disclosure. By removing these NDAs, it allows for the sharing of Grusch evidence in a controlled and responsible manner.

Furthermore, it is important to note that Grusch is not a civilian who can simply disclose everything he knows. His status as a national security asset requires him to adhere to specific protocols and guidelines. He is not at liberty to simply share sensitive information without the proper channels in place. Everyone dislikes generalities, but I never expected a whistleblower who was serious to reveal everything on a YouTube video. If Grusch did that, then you know he is not a legit person.

Cheerful S · 22-12-2023 05:12PM

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Here since 2006, Spend almost 16 years debunking this subject.

Discover wrong about it. This development will undoubtedly pose a bit of a head scratcher for the person, dont you think?Wasted all that time thinking you were right and you were wrong.

Anyway, he doesn't think that will happen. We'll see.You think the same way. I wonder how many of you will still be here if that disclosure happens and you realize that all the nonsense about cover-ups like this can't happen was false?

Ekano · 22-12-2023 07:30PM

Lads, evidence or at the very least locations could be released to the The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists at any point. They have a good record at keeping sources secret. Nothing! They really don't need the whistleblower mechanism. Nothing reported because there's nothing there.

celtic_oz · 22-12-2023 07:40PM

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Without going to jail ? If you are found out to have revealed classified you go to jail as a traitor. Period.

Grusch mentioned people have been killed and he himself and family were threatened.

If its anonymous what exactly is any reporter to do ? "Sir we been given an anonymous tip off theres a UFO hidden at Edwards Air Force Base". Well done son, dont let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

robinph · 22-12-2023 08:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121527381#Comment_121527381

Is there even any evidence of the killings, or the threats to him and his family?

People dying or being disappeared from former positions with high security clearance in the US military should be pretty obvious.

celtic_oz · 22-12-2023 10:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121527522#Comment_121527522

Strange that you havent listened to his deposition where he claimed that there was an ongoing investigation and couldn't get into the details, pretty standard stuff where serious acusations are being made.

Hows the latter day church of the flying saucers coming along your greyliness ?

robinph · 22-12-2023 11:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121528014#Comment_121528014

Who has been killed to prevent them releasing information about UFOs?

Why hasn't this Grusch guy been killed?

23-12-2023 01:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121526876#Comment_121526876

And in those 16 years I've heard "disclosure is coming soon" or "the truth is about to come out" a lot.

I don't think these new claims about the conspiracy getting proven are going to fare much better.

Notice how you guys keep trying to sound confident, but no one is giving a specific time frame about when this is supposed to happen.

Dohnjoe · 23-12-2023 01:47AM

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I called out Grusch during that whole process, that he didn't have credible evidence, that he wouldn't produce any, and that the "other 30/40 whistleblowers" wouldn't either, and I was correct.

Likewise I stated that nothing would come out in the weeks/months after (which some seemed to believe), I was right about that too.

On a personal level, I think the man has mental issues and just believes everything he's told. The UFO and "I want to believe" community naturally laps this up because he worked in the DoD and offered tantalizing and exciting UFO innuendo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDN01Qyu6uo

Dohnjoe · 23-12-2023 11:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121528014#Comment_121528014

If someone stood up and repeated a whole bunch of paranormal stories, making "serious accusations" that e.g. ghosts had murdered human beings - with no evidence for any of it.

Would you be taking them seriously? Of course not.

But put that person in a suit, in a formal setting, having worked for the government, using pseudo technical speak, and all of a sudden it's "wait, there must be something to this"

This man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRDLugwutyY