"Green" policies are destroying this country

Are you actually claiming that's a genuine answer to any question you were asked?

You can't even produce the hydrogen itself for 20c per unit of electricity and that's before it needs to be stored and then converted back into electricity. Nevermind the losses in doing so.

How much are the capital costs for your "diverse" solution (insofar as Onshore and Offshore is somehow diverse) plus whatever storage and grid infrastructure is required? Nearest 50 billion guesstimate will suffice.

You want a very big number so you can point at the big number and say 'Look how big that number is'

What is the point in me guesstimating (ie plucking a number out of thin air) when you've already completely disregarded the figure I gave for the cost per KWh of electricity produced using Ammonia

You can buy ammonia right now available in the international markets, and burn it in an existing thermal power station and it would cost about 20c per kwh for that electricity

That's using existing plant, that includes all of the fixed costs, capex, opex, transport, storage etc etc etc

If we use very cheap electricity that has an extremely low marginal cost, to produce that ammonia because the energy used would otherwise have been curtailed, then the round trip efficiency of power lost in converting from wind, to H2, to NH3, storing it until its needed and converting it back to electricity is less of a barrier to production.

Even if we lost 80% of the initial energy, we would have lost 100% if the generators were switched off

You might think a round trip efficiency of 20% is terrible, but it's not that much worse than LNG, which has a round trip efficiency of about 35%, and produces an awful lot of CO2 and CO2 equivalent pollution along the way, especially if the LNG involves fracking

Ammonia is intended to be used as a backup for when wind and solar and interconnectors are not available. Battery storage would be used for daily storage needs and balancing loads, Hydrogen/ammonia is only needed a few times a year when demand exceeds supply over a longer period, and even then, it's only covering the gap between renewable output and demand.

The MARGINAL cost of production (I put it in bold last time, maybe putting it in caps this time will help) is extremely low because renewables have zero fuel costs, and almost all of the costs are fixed.

So you're not going to pay the price per the RESS / ORESS auctions?

Fantastic, thanks for clarifying this. Now if you could just point to the relevant market design documents to support that, it'd be marvellous. It just seems a little odd to me that we'd be paying the RESS and ORESS anyway, including for curtailment in most cases as we build "at scale" but we'd still require other legacy renewables to get low cost hydrogen (rather than the curtailment we're already paying for).

Actually, it's not "all there in the Trading and Settlement code". It was queried at a recent MOUG as to when we would get a detailed design of how this would all work and Eirgrid/SEMO didn't have any definitive information.

There's a new initiative kicked off as part of "Shaping our electricity future" which aims to figure it all out, all based on the "Reform of the electricity market design" agreed by the European Parliament and Council just 7 days ago.

And

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/12/14/reform-of-electricity-market-design-council-and-parliament-reach-deal/

So it's great that yourself and Akrasia have it all figured out and that ye've already made the necessary modifications to the codes. I'm sure the Market mods committee will be thrilled.

Have a little bit of patience.

These are multi decadal projects. There will be many tweaks and revisions to the pricing and regulatory frameworks as it's a dynamic economic and political operational environment. The contracts agreed today will be different to the contracts agreed next year or in 10 years time.

What we require at this point are firm political commitments to agree a framework and binding targets, and once those are in place, the horsetrading can proceed.

What's your alternative? The never ending business as usual/wait and see approach? where we do nothing except continue burning fossil fuels in the hope that ??? will happen and we'll fall into a cheap stable sustainable long term energy solution?

Cause nobody is banging down our door to build nuclear in Ireland any time soon, and other than that, you have nothing.

The Minister for naps thinks he's going to be around for years to come as he is planning rolling out electric transport hubs for the next few years:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/12/22/solar-power-has-gone-gangbusters-in-ireland-says-minister-for-energy/