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"average Dublin house prices should fall to ‘the €300,000 mark" according to Many Lou McD.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Why does an average person need a house? they should be buying an apartment should they not?

    If the average for one person is 45,000 then for a couple it is 90,000.

    Our goal should be to have a more stable mix of apartments and houses. We are concentrating on houses which is blocking people out of the market who should be buying apartments. When I was young I didn't want a house and all the bills that go with it. Trying to heat a 3 bedroom house when I only need to use less than 50% of it? how does that make sense.

    If you build large complex of apartments with amenities this will reduce the price of the apartments and cater for the average person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    You have jumped from "average" to "menial"

    Maybe you can define what you mean? I don't think anyone working in Tesco or construction would classify their jobs as "menial" but it depends on what you mean by that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    It is odd that many voters think that a party who have never before been in government, with candidates who have zero experience in any portfolio, could do a better job than those with experience.

    Imagine the chaos in an organisation if every single member of experienced staff was made redundant, and the business started again with a completely new team of entry level people in every job. It wouldn't be even vaguely considered in any other sector.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Worth remembering that SF have deliberately obstructed housing supply by serial objections to planning

    Mary Lou has personally objected to planning for 2000 units in her own constituency in recent years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Yes which has massively forced up the cost of housing, the planning permission cost millions to submit and every rejection drives up house and apartment prices,

    People seem to forget part of the reason house prices are so high is because of Sinn Fein

    As I pointed out before as well, Sinn Fein ran DCC from 2014 to 2019 and during a population growth they ended up with less social units than when they started which again put huge pressure on the system.

    Sinn Fein have never been and never will be the answer to housing in Ireland



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    I can save about 700 a month. Thats 7000 a year (2 months not saved, December for xmas expense and a summer holiday). So thats 6 years to reach a deposit

    6 years of living on a really tight budget is not acceptable. We need a measure of accepting proving payments of rent to by pass deposit rules. For so many renters, its the deposit that makes it impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Well Sinn Fein are in government in Northern Ireland and are a total disaster, yet Sinn Fein supporters will tell you that not their fault with the other millions of ecuses they have for their incompetence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    So again, you’re not willing to make sacrifices to get where you want. Sacrifices that others including your grandparents have made.

    This is a you problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    My grandparents never saved a deposit, they got a council house in the 50s and bought it for nothing in the 80s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Bingo, I saved for a lot more than 6 years to build up my finances to purchase.

    In reality the people starting to work in the boom didn't have parents who could give them money for a deposit, me included because my parents had worked during the 70/80 when they had to scrap for everything.

    It's now people who are getting the benefits of the Celtic Tiger when people saved money and made decision so they could leave a little nest egg for their children and this is seen as terrible?

    It's just good old Irish begrudgery IMO



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    So now you’re admitting you want a free house!

    Off you trot to Glasgow and don’t let the door hit your backside on the way out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Bingo, and this is a lot of Sinn Fein voters, think if they vote them in they will be handed the keys to a free house so they can go on holidays etc and spend as they like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    No, I want to continue working two jobs and pay for a home. The deposit scale makes it impossible or detrimental to living standards. If someone has never missed a rental payment for over 3 years, and the mortgage they wont translates to 2/3rds of less of their rent per month, they should not require a deposit.

    My siblings bought with 100% mortgages (I think one case was 110% and they got a car) on leaving college in the 2000s.

    7 or 6 years of savings would mean being over 40 by the time I buy. I dont think people will view you as a success buying at 40. So Id see now benefit from it, may as well rent where I enjoy living until I get inheritance when the folks die and their house is sold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    You keep introducing these red herrings.

    Dublin has need of a very large class of people to keep all aspects of the city running while those rapacious individuals in a small few professions gobble up everything else. Living in Annascaul and working in Cork will not result in the children of Foxrock getting an education, or their parents getting their clothes cleaned or their latte prepared, just can't be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭phonypony


    Speaking as someone saving every penny to be able to afford a home, you're not trying hard enough. That's a living cost of ~16,000 per year outside of rent. You have to make sacrifices; forget the summer holiday, reduce the xmas spending. You're essentially looking for a handout and not willing to maximise your effort.

    The deposit rules are there for very good reason, partly to prevent the reckless lending and spending of the Celtic Tiger era you seem so fond off. Your ability to pay rent is already considered when it comes to your affordability to make mortgage repayments, but you want it to also allow you to forgo proving the ability to manage your money, live within your means and save a measly 10% of the purchase price of a home?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    It would be much more than 10%, you can only get an 80% mortgage on a 1 bed. And Id need to make up a large difference from mortgage offer to house price to get anything bigger in Dublin so Im looking at least 40k needed.

    I wont go without a holiday or else why even work, I cant avoid buying xmas presents and spending on work and family xmas parties (thats all cost nearly 1000 this year). You lot want people miserable and then complain people dont vote for it. I doubt many here commenting go without their summer holiday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Maybe it's time for the state to be hard on the banks rather than giving them all our money.

    The way the Dáil voted to save the banks rather than the economy has led us to this current situation - the banks were never reformed, they were just sent to the Dunces' corner for a couple of years and then allowed to continue much as before by the goevernment's actions to shore up the housing market above all else.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    A couple. Well, that's a risk I'm not willing to take in itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    It is odd that many voters think that a party who have never before been in government, with candidates who have zero experience in any portfolio, could do a better job than those with experience.

    Not at all.

    What is odd is that some people think that those who have fkked up the country again and again are now going to turn around and solve the problems somehow. Now that is a seriously weird thing to think!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭phonypony


    I have forgone a holiday for 4 years, because it will allow me to save a more substantial deposit more quickly. I have reduced spending on food, clothes, transport, gifts, everything, because that's what it takes. I have availed of free or subsidised training and education to add to my knowledge and skills, making myself more attractive to other employers who may offer me an increased salary. I will still be over 40 by the time I purchase a home.

    So you can continue to live as you do, moaning about not being given a handout and stunting your ability to own that home by retirement, or you can be realistic and take action now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,678 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Not sure it's been said in thread already...what happened when you were growing up was not normal or sustainable. People buying new cars and holiday homes, her, Spain, Bulgaria, etc., all on credit should not be normalised for any generation.

    My parents bought a house in 1956, worked hard, took in a lodger, had no holidays. That was normal for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Or I can vote for change so that this country is not run for the rich but instead for working people, and hopefully we can have the type of rental market (with strong government involvement) where I can pay my rent with security, make a home and have the social safety net that will keep me in it or in a suitable replacement in retirement, like most developed European countries (social democracies) have. The cost rental model appears the best option for someone in my shoes too and SF are pledging to build masses of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    You need to understand that for most people under 40 (and judging by the level of Armani and Canada Goose I see on teens its worse for under 20s) grew with with that as our base level of normal. Thats the measure of life for us, so anything less and we are unhappy, like I feel like a failure for my lot in life. So we wont vote back in parties that have us living below our base standard.

    When I can afford to turn on the heating without giving it a financial thought. When home ownership reaches over 80% again. When we see no cars on the road over 5 years old and the 5 year old ones are driven by 17 year olds (my memories of 2006/07), when my co workers are doing their xmas shopping in New York again, then we can talk about a recovery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    What figures are you using to come up with €300K being "the right price" in any economy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Quote of the year right here

    when my co workers are doing their xmas shopping in New York again, then we can talk about a recovery.

    Absolutely incredible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Whats incredible about it, I did it twice as a teen. Working class people used to be able to do that



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What Mary Lou will do the to Irish economy will make Liz Truss look like a winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I was leaning towards having sympathy for you, not any more.

    If you really really want to buy a house you will scrimp and save to put together a deposit.

    Holidays and Canada Goose jackets go on the back burner.

    You need a serious reality check.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,678 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    I can only say to you that you sound like you got everything you wanted when a kid ....that in my view is never a good way to start out in life. Yes, it's fun, etc but look where it's got you...wanting more, and more .

    A lot of the CG and Moncler clothing are copies, fakes...because a generation want a lifestyle and clothing they cannot afford.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How is she going to ensure that house prices fall to 300k without absolutely tanking the economy?

    Give one example of a policy that could achieve this?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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