Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla?

Most people don't care enough to post about their positive experiences with Teslas, they just do the job for cheaper, less hassle etc.

I don't think either of you can claim the high ground looking over the last few pages of posts.

There's too many complaints about Tesla's build quality for it to be a rare lemon.

That said any product can have issues. It just a known quirk of Tesla's.

The 3s and Ys delivered to Irish customers this year have been excellent. They are the only Teslas being bought in this country now, so there's little point in cross-contaminating from other models or other manufacturing locations.

As a buyer you make an informed decision about the interior during your test drive, and then you have the weeks/months in-between deposit and purchase to back out because you've gone off the interior. When you push through to the sale and accept the car you lose the right to moan about a cheap plasticky interior or panel gaps.

Rattles fair enough, but apart from the passenger seat belt rattle we've not heard about (m)any others on here this year?

What does your "other 67% of shareholders" refer to? Musk owns just under 13% of Tesla according to Nasdaq in August. Has that changed since then?

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/how-much-tesla-stock-does-elon-musk-own-and-what-other-companies-does-he-control

I have about 4 posts in this thread or indeed any other Musk related thread. I have pretty much zero interest in cars, but obviously I need a car to get around, I regard them as boxes that get me from A to B. I don't really see them as a status symbols as some people would for 2 reasons really, I am not really trying to make a kind of statement and given my earnings the cost of a car is fairly insignificant. Now, with Tesla I would definitely be put off by Musk's promoting conspiracies and shitposting on Twitter. I would be pretty pissed off as a shareholder as clearly a CEO keeping his controversial opinions to himself is better for the brand than a CEO that winds people up (I am pretty sure he does all this just to piss people off).

He has learned like Trump that bad publicity is good for marketing. There's also a bit of a narcissist in most really famous people in that start to believe normal rules don't apply to them. They believe their own hype. We see this with twitter. But being brilliant doesn't mean you can't be wrong.

Thus far he's has had minimal negative impact on Tesla IMO. But its a concern. But there are other issues likely to have greater effect like competition from China.

He has been shitposting and pushing conspiracies a lot longer than a year. Plus, have a look at the chart over a slightly longer time frame:

It has increased alright, but still way down on highs.

If the 2023 3s and Ys from China had as many problems as some are suggested we would have heard all about it by now, like we did with California cars a few years ago in the early days of the 3.

Nothwithstanding issues like "plastic interior" and "panel gaps" are items you make a purchase decision go/no-go on because already know about them *before* signing paperwork, so unfortunately hold no credibility for the poster moaning about Tesla.

Moaning about those items after sale is his/her way of fuelling the "Teslas are shite" narrative that suits him/her, but it's not credible.

Let's hear about the mechanical, electrical or software faults the 2023 Teslas developed with ownership that couldn't have been known before sale?

Lots of long term reviews with faults and issues that arise during ownership of any car or product.

You keep making these impossible blanket statements.

There are long term reliability surveys and studies if people want to look them up. There are sites that list all the pros and cons of all cars.