Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510686#Comment_121510686

Wreckler is not an early adapter.

VW CEO . Emission scandals. VW and its links to Hitler…. You don’t know any of this yet you know what that musk guy ate for breakfast 😂

I wouldn’t give VW a pent of my own money. The loose morals of their history, the rate at which they scammed customers and cheated their way through the emission scandals for profit at the mercy of their “loyal” customers. Scum.

If you bury your head in the sand to suit your own purchase that’s fine. No point having standards and then breaking them just to suit yourself.

System

This discussion was created from comments split from: EV Depreciation 2023.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510718#Comment_121510718

No offense taken.

I mention VW because you mentioned VW. I did not make that up.

My Op stated VAG Group.

My big gripe is people that say I won’t buy this because of musk, yet spend their money on another brand with just as bad or worse ceo. Hypocrites.

I type this message while sitting in my German bmw waiting outside a school for one of the kids. I’ve no gripe about buying a German car but I don’t go around being hypocrite posting double standards. They all have skeletons in their closets.

yllw.ldbttr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510724#Comment_121510724

To be fair I don't know if any other CEO who puts himself out there the way Musk does with deliberately provocative opinions etc.

I think it's valid and fair that people wouldn't want to buy a Tesla as a result of his behaviour and opinions.

Are there other motor group CEOs with equally horrible political opinions and behaviours, of course, but they don't buy twitter and ram those opinions down everyone's throat every day of the week.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510756#Comment_121510756

Plenty of other CEO’s alright but I don’t follow any of them. Including the Tesla ceo.

If we based out buying power from CEO,a I don’t think there be many sales in Ireland.

There’s only one brand I feel with a clean board and that’s BYD at the moment.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510756#Comment_121510756

If I was a Tesla shareholder I'd have a similar opinion, as a person buying a car it didn't bother me too much, but I can completely understand why some people would choose not to engage with a brand because of the actions of owners/senior members of staff.

Where I draw a line is when people start throwing insults at people who have bought a Tesla. Everybody has a different level of ethic's when it comes to personal purchasing decisions, and I don't think it's right to attack the customers instead of the company. Thankfully we haven't seen too much of that carry on.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510775#Comment_121510775

I also find it utterly bizarre that people who hate him so much, post about him so much. They spend alot of their time with him living rent free in their heads.

Even in the Tesla threads, he’s barely mentioned. His post count looking at the stats is by non Tesla owners more than Tesla owners based on this site alone. Very strange.

VW also gave Hitler a platform. That’s says alot also.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510724#Comment_121510724

My big gripe is people that say I won’t buy this because of musk, yet spend their money on another brand with just as bad or worse ceo. Hypocrites.

I wouldn’t give VW a pent of my own money.

Do you own a Tesla?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510695#Comment_121510695

Ya, twas like your man a few pages back saying he wouldn't buy one because of Musk but sees no problem using Twitter. 🤣

Will be interesting when all the Tesla chargers open up to see where the morals lie. Hypocrites.

yllw.ldbttr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510764#Comment_121510764

20+ years operating in China I'm sure there's a few skeletons in that closet too.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510844#Comment_121510844

I’m not sure. Decent history. Nothin public on the CEO’s etc

We would have seen something on them by now.

maybe I’m wishful thinking 😀

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510832#Comment_121510832

That’s an interesting post actually. I’m not on Facebook but there’s an Irish EV group and it’s a cess pool. Yet they had no problem using the opened up Tesla super chargers because they were significantly cheaper than the ionity and ecar counterparts.

I couldnt read too much of it without registering so can’t comment on the full post.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510775#Comment_121510775

I think Musk is an egotistical manchild but you would prefer to only platform people you agree with? The best thing to do with those type of people is to ridicule and expose their moronic ideas.

Otherwise they exist in echo chambers where they won't be called out.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510853#Comment_121510853

If you don't want to buy a car/brand due to reasons, e.g. the CEO, that's fine.

You don't need to validate that decision to another person who doesn't buy a different car/brand due to the CEO and other reasons.

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510832#Comment_121510832

Won't be a problem for me. I have a charger in my garage and I do not have a twitter account and have no interest in it regardless of who is its owner.

I will re-iterate again I bought my Mustang Mach E after I had the chance to really check it out and a Telsa given I have neighbours who have each car and the Mustang was easily the choice for me. The fact that Telsa's owner is a truly odious human being is one thing lots of people are not so pleasant shall we say. The difference is that Musk is using his power and position at actively spread hate racism and violence and doing it in the here and now. I do try and spend my money when buying products and or services on companies that act in a positive manner and are trying to be positive companies be it the environment, their employees, their suppliers etc. But there is no question if you wanted to do a dive into almost any company there would be bad things there. All I can do is the best I can and Musk well it doesn't get any more in your face then him.

As a quick happy aside Bailey's became a B corp just over a year ago. Doesn't make it taste any better but it makes the purchase of it a little sweeter:)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510885#Comment_121510885

Ya I know who they are, but banning them just makes them more attractive to people who would be influenced by them imo. Expose the scum and deal with them in the courts.

You're correct that he seems to believe in free speech when it suits him, as I said a man child.

I do like my Tesla though, I've been driving a Byd Atto 3 a good bit lately and I can't wait to get back in my M3 at the end of the day. Some of the plastics are more fitting to a fisher price toy.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510928#Comment_121510928

Before buying a Ford, a Google search will show it in 5 mins.

That’s the first one I found on the phone.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-43149801

https://medium.com/%40mrosepage/fords-big-deception-b10604ef27ff

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510933#Comment_121510933

You aren't being the hypocrite in this situation. The individual who may or may not be lecturing you for not buying a car brand because of CEO reasons, when they themselves won't touch a brand due to CEO/reasons might possibly be ;)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510933#Comment_121510933

You're correct that some won't, no doubt about it. I don't believe anyone called you a hypocrite.

You drive a panel gapless car? I'd love to see that.

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510950#Comment_121510950

and your point is in regards to what I said above in terms of me buying a Mustang over a Telsa? For fullness my other considered EV's at the time were a Volvo and a Volkswagen.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510950#Comment_121510950

Hyundai bribing politicians and allegations of child labour in their supply chain. Vw, Mercedes, Bmw involved in poisoning us all, christ it's getting very difficult to ethically buy a car.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510988#Comment_121510988

You bought a Ford. Ford have unethical issues at play too. You mentioned you could dig deep. Point is a google search on 12 seconds on a phone shows the above.

staples7

Same, I couldn't give 2 hoots who the CEO is. I care about mainly about the car itself.

All my previous cars have been Audis A3's A4's A5's and more recently VW's - Multiple Tiguan's , ID4 and the Tesla is head and shoulders a better car.

No skin off my nose but those who rule them out due to CEO or bad build quality in early cars are truly missing out in my opinion.

Eg if you caught a model Y on one of the end of Quarter offers for just over 40k, that must be the best 'bang for buck' of any car out there..

mailforkev

Don't forget my favourite of recent years, the old CEO of Renault and Nissan, Carlos Ghosn, who had to be smuggled out of Japan in a musical instrument box to escape his dodgy dealings.

Musk is a certified bell-end, I'd still buy a Tesla.

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510999#Comment_121510999

I also clearly acknowledged that you could find something bad on pretty much any company if you wanted to dig deep. So still not seeing your point. That Ford has an executive that they got rid of after he engaged in inappropriate behaviour is a positive in my book. That Ford in 2018 was playing fast and lose with clean air rules not a shock especially when even more so then the company was still based on ICE cars running of course on fossil fuels. The Mustang Mach E had not even hit the streets at that point.

Musk however is in the here and now spreading hate and violence and through his power and profile and his twitter platform.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121511016#Comment_121511016

Even though that's the thread title, I'm not sure that's even the argument here. Most agree he puts some people off, but it's the moral inconsistencies in their reasoning that I and others find funny.

Pointing this out may be called whataboutery, but I'd call it moral equivalence. I mean look at the direction the Chinese state is moving, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South China Sea, Massive military expansion etc, etc. Byd received billions in state subsidies and Europeans buying Chinese goods helps to support them. But, but, but Musk bad. It's beyond ridiculous.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121511042#Comment_121511042

I've never heard of that, sounds like an interesting story.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121511062#Comment_121511062

Not wanting to put words in his mouth, but I believe his point was that he didn't have to dig deep.

crl84

Previously, Musk being a tw@t and his association with and direct promotion of neo-nazis and right-wing scum didn't directly affect Tesla. Tesla owners could claim ignorance I guess.

I see now today, the Disney+ app is being removed from Teslas via software update, because of Musk's issues with Disney advertising on Twitter:

https://electrek.co/2023/12/18/tesla-removes-disney-cars-amid-elon-musks-beef-bob-iger/

Can't imagine the Tesla board will be too happy with Twitter business spilling into Tesla business.

What other apps are the Tesla fanboys in here OK with being removed from their vehicles because of Musk's unhinged outbursts?

eire4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121511134#Comment_121511134

It would be one thing if Musk was just an odious person. Which he certainly is as well. But there are lots of odious people out there in the world. The difference is he is actively spreading hate and violence and is actively promoting that and using his power and position to magnify such. That IMHO is going way beyond being an odious person.