Israel/Palestine Thread

ceadaoin. · 18-12-2023 11:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121512291#Comment_121512291

Why can't a "random Chinese person" be the grandchild of an Irish person? If they were then they have the same rights and entitlement to Irish citizenship as anyone else would.

Israel was set up as a homeland for Jewish people. Why is it shocking or unfair that they grant citizenship to...Jewish people? Ireland lets the grandchildren of Irish people become citizens even if they've never set foot in the country. Grand. Israel lets the grandchildren of Jewish people become citizens even if they've never set foot in the country. They are so evil!

Donald Trump · 18-12-2023 11:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121512309#Comment_121512309

You can identify as whomever you want, but you can't decide to be the grandchild of an Irish person if you aren't one.

Find the equivalent of the Chinese phone book and pick a random name from it. I'll bet ya a million quid they don't have an Irish grandparent. That random Chinese person could in theory move here and become naturalised. How can you not understand that that is not the same as the entitlement of a Yank with an Irish grandparent for example?

How absurd does this arguing for the sake of arguing get FFS? It's pathetic.

quokula · 18-12-2023 11:36PM

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Ireland was made a colony for the British. Why is it shocking or unfair that they moved British people in as part of the plantations?

SeanW · 18-12-2023 11:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121512329#Comment_121512329

Not sure if you're making the "colonialism" argument, but you should be aware that colonies, by definition, have a Metropolitan State - Colony relationship.

If you're arguing that Israel is a colony the same way the plantations were for the British Empire, then you have to identify where the Jewish Metropolitan State is.

dmcdona · 18-12-2023 11:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121512037#Comment_121512037

Well, not just living there...

"Individuals, who have lived in Israeli for 3 years with a 5-year-valid permanent residency status"

"Speak Hebrew at some level."

"Have renounced their other citizenships or can provide evidence that they will renounce foreign citizenships once they are naturalized citizens of Israel."

I learned Hebrew. Speaking and a bit of writing/reading.

One particular phrase I recall quite fondly is "'al hapanim". A phrase we used a lot when someone was making a dog's breakfast of something.

Even better was "'al hapanim beli hayadayim". That was when someone seriously made a dog's breakfast of something.

suvigirl · 19-12-2023 12:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121512461#Comment_121512461

Doesn't make sense

Tell me how · 19-12-2023 07:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121512301#Comment_121512301

Disgraceful that it is has been supported by those who sees themselves as the benchmarks for what the peak of human civilization is. (US/EU/UK)

Tell me how · 19-12-2023 07:53AM

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Are you really using a poll taken 3 weeks in to Israel Bombing the **** out of Gaza to prove that Hamas is widely supported by Palestinians?

Nearly half the people who participated in the poll had had their homes damaged by Israel, what a ridiculous question to ask them at that time.

FFS, in the same article, it says that just before Oct 7th most people had little or no trust in Hamas.

Your post answers the question I asked very clearly, but not in the manner you think. It shows that Israel's actions has driven people towards Hamas.

Igotadose · 19-12-2023 08:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121512409#Comment_121512409

That's not what it says, but whatever, this is a side discussion anyway based on the nonsense that people that follow Judaism can get citizenships in Israel, which the OP views as a bad thing, since, obviously, more citizens allowed into Israel of the Jewish faith is bad. They want way fewer Jews in the world.

Tell me how · 19-12-2023 08:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121512821#Comment_121512821

They want way fewer Jews in the world.

If we were using real names on here instead of anonymous ones, this would be libelous.

It's cray how frequently this angle of attack is taken on this thread. Considered in the wider context of how this event is being dealt with world wide, all it is doing is painting Jewish people in a bad light which is to the detriment of...... the Jewish people.

I find it very hard to believe that people can't see the damage is being done to the Jewish community by Israel's actions and that of many of its supporters.

Igotadose · 19-12-2023 09:04AM

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Do you think the OP's message comparing citizenship rules in Israel, vs. Ireland, was in support of Israel's citizenship rules? As in my previous response to you, Israel had no choice but to respond forcefully to Hamas and pursue them until the hostages were returned. Do you have an alternative that actually would work? Your suggested solution that neither blamed Hamas nor provided for Israel's security certainly wasn't that.

ceadaoin. · 19-12-2023 09:15AM

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But what is the problem with Israel allowing people with Jewish ancestry to become citizens though? That's the whole point it was set up in the first place. People are now feeling more comfortable in allowing their true feelings that Israel shouldn't exist being out in the open now it seems like.

I'm not Jewish but I've seen first hand the damage done to the Jewish community by Hamas' actions. And I've seen how threatened they feel by the marches calling for "zionists" to be cleansed from the world. Again with the victim blaming. The damage is being done by the anti semites who use the cover of "anti Zionism" to perpetrate attacks and hatred on innocent Jews all around the world, not by Israel and it's supporters. Can you explain why is a Jewish person in New York or London to be viewed in a "bad light" exactly?

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Igotadose · 19-12-2023 09:41AM

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"Look at the Syrian civil war which was totally ignored on boards because you see we don't expect Muslims to behave. Reverse racism"

or Yemen. Ethiopia. Congo. Plenty to choose from to ignore whilst asserting ones virtues viz. Israel/Hamas.

Not that any of this justifies the casualties on any side in the current Hamas/Israel war. A ceasefire by both sides needs to happen yesterday.

TokTik · 19-12-2023 11:52AM

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They are misquoting and deliberately misinterpreting what was said. The apartheid state needs to be obliterated, not Israel. It was obliterated in South Africa without all of the white SA’s being murdered/exiled.

He knows exactly what he’s doing.

TokTik · 19-12-2023 11:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121504872#Comment_121504872

The apartheid state was obliterated in South Africa. As far as I’m aware South Africa wasn’t obliterated.

TokTik · 19-12-2023 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121505537#Comment_121505537

The Star of David is not a pentagram.

Igotadose · 19-12-2023 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121513442#Comment_121513442

Captain obvious (apologies to anyone with that nick): I'm not talking about that. It's ridiculous you posted. Go look at the offensive image posted by the banned user and see if you can find the pentagram. We'll wait.

dmcdona · 19-12-2023 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121513408#Comment_121513408

There's a lot of that going on in here.

I have no problem with honest debate - it can be robust at times but that's fine too.

But dishonest misquoting and defending mistruths makes it a dishonest debate. And that's futile.

But the dishonesty will be called out - and I'd hope the posters will learn from it. some do, many don't. Those who don't either have hidden agendas or entrenched positions based on ignorance or malice.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-12-2023 12:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121513442#Comment_121513442

No one said it was 🙄

ollkiller · 19-12-2023 12:48PM

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Theres over 19k dead. 10k of those are children with another 4 to 5k women. Half the population of Gaza is under 18. Its widely reported so I cant fathom how you find that baffling.

This is a thread about the Isrsel/Hamas conflict. You want to comment on the Syrian conflict start a thread and comment away. I'll comment on the subject of the thread and leave the whataboutery to you.

Russman · 19-12-2023 01:21PM

How accurate do we (we being the world, I'm not interested in taking sides) think the casualty numbers are ? I mean, basically 20k dead (which I don't doubt for a second) and 15k of that is women and children. As a distant outside observer, that just doesn't stack up for me or maybe I'm missing something. You'd surely think there would be closer to a roughly even split, given the population density, small area etc etc, no ? could it really be 5k men, 5k women, 10k kids ? or is it just the women and children number being pushed for PR ? Obviously truth is the first casualty and all that, just seems odd.

Wolf359f · 19-12-2023 01:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121513776#Comment_121513776

Roughly speaking 50% of the population in Gaza are children, 25% adult women, 25% adult men. So if you randomly bomb Gaza, you would broadly get that split in the causality figures. 75% women and children and 25% adult men.

I'm not sure what the even split would be that you're referring to.

TheRepentent · 19-12-2023 02:01PM

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/who-chief-thanks-ireland-for-moral-leadership-on-gaza-crisis/a1377043514.html

Well done Ireland .

Strazdas · 19-12-2023 02:08PM

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The Lancet (a hugely respected medical journal) published a study in the last week or so saying they believed the figure of 20k dead to be accurate - based on analysis of multiple credible sources of information and reporting.

I did hear a figure mentioned of around 5k-6k Hamas fighters killed, but that would still mean the vast majority of deaths are innocent civilians.

19-12-2023 02:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121513997#Comment_121513997

Can you provide a link? I could only see correspondence articles in the lancet online.

The Lancet take a neutral stance on the current war, and I don’t see why they would be conducting studies on the death toll.

I’m not disputing the figures you are quoting, but why are you dragging a medical journal into the discussion, they don’t take sides in this.

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Russman · 19-12-2023 03:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121513922#Comment_121513922

Fair enough, I hadn't fully thought of the numbers in that way.

ollkiller · 19-12-2023 03:26PM

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Israel could go after Hamas for years without killing thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians. You can go its war as a handy excuse for the slaughter of children. Dosent make it any less sick. All it does is give Hamas thousands of more fighters in the generations to come.

Grayson · 19-12-2023 04:54PM

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That's the thing. What israels doing is alienating allies and at the same time radicalizing an entire population.

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