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MS in all its glory

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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    I identify with so so so so much of that!!! I forking thought I was going insane!!!



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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    I was told by Prof Tubridy I could contact her, but I’m never quite sure of when to do that. But sure I was never quite sure to mention neuro symptoms for decades as the odd time I mentioned them they were dismissed and you learn to keep your mouth shut at the doctors lest you are considered hysterical (in a clinical sense).

    For a non-MS related reason I asked for a copy of my medical records from SVUH, wanted to see gynae record. Arrived yesterday in a flimsy torn envelope, the pages visible to the postman. Dreadful the way they put private info into such trashy envelopes.

    I did get to Prof Tubridy’s report of my ataxic gait and appearance of longstanding disease. The bloods he ordered are clear of non-MS neuro pathology, by a specific B cell ratio with another finding is consistent with active disease, and I can certainly feel it. On foot of this he will likely start me on Ocrevus in the new year, but only if I can clear the HPV. Men don’t get tested for HPV at all even though it can cause anal and penile cancers, but I think cervical cancer is a fair bit more commonplace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,654 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Ever since the colder weather kicked in my right foot feels like a ton weight

    .I'm doubly careful trying to walk about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,654 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I think I had a few physio sessions , but I was already to far gone to be of benefit



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 61,545 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Thanks for the replies. Shows how little I know!. I do hope you all stay safe over winter..



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Any attempt to exercise has “payment” for me and I think this is very typical. Often my muscles go into fierce spasms at attempts for muscle strength building, and after doing a lot of hobbling mileage on a good day results in me being almost bedridden the following day.

    Because my muscles are weak they are not holding my joints up well and I’m inclined to get sprains/arthritis, again I believe this is very common. I had a left knee replacement in my 50s, not realising a lot of neuro symptoms were unrecognised MS. The recovery was very slow and difficult and the surgeon went in about how I wasn’t putting in enough effort, when I was in fact doing everything I could do. My right knee is now grumbling, but I’m not going to have it touched as I’d be unable for the requisite post-operative exercise.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    I know I’ve posted this before but if I get any kind of infection, eg respiratory tract, dental etc, my neuro symptoms magnify greatly, responding pretty effectively to antibiotics. I believe this makes entire sense as the toxic B cells increase in number to combat the infection, but instead of doing their correct job they migrate across the blood brain barrier to attack myelin, resulting in at least a temporary setback and of course contributing to underlying build-up of disability.

    Let’s hope for new therapy to restore myelin and hopefully even restore neurons.

    There’s hope in the pipeline, including repurposing use of the diabetic treatment Metformin. If the latter can prove to be helpful in trials this would indeed be sobering to celebrate as it’s generally safe & available.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    The first part of this fascinating article focuses on cancer, the second part of MS and the theorised cause. The authors are credible and have been recognised for their work on the human papilloma virus as the cause for most cases of cervical cancer. Well worth a read. In my own case my mother was unable to breastfeed me and I was given cow’s milk to which I reacted very badly and was in a paediatric hospital to treat severe symptoms and my mother was instructed not to give me any ordinary milk in my diet. It’s interesting to see the possibilities as to how I got both MS and Ulcerative Colitis.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    I returned from spending a week over Christmas in a beautiful flat resort on Riviera Maya in Mexico. The resort hotel grounds were superb for people like ourselves, and indeed I met some a couple of people with MS using wheelchairs on excursions, the tour company having no problem to accommodate them. Hotel staff accommodated me all the time, was able to skip the long queue on Christmas Eve for dinner, staff going around grounds in golf buggies kept asking me did I want a lift between buildings, to beach etc, it I enjoyed being able to try and get in my bit of exercise. Getting to Cancún by American Airlines via Dallas was easy with wheelchair assistance and going home I was met at the taxi at Cancún Airport by someone to assist me, got the most incredibly helpful young man who was most thoughtful throughout. It’s a good place for disabled travellers!

    Since returning my symptoms have sharply increased. I haven’t been able to leave the apartment as my feet just won’t work beyond getting me from bedroom-bathroom-living room. My hands and numb, shaky, weak, uncoordinated. My torso is unbalanced and shaking back and forth, difficult feeding myself and swallowing. I know this will likely improve but there is that constant bit of deterioration where overall things keep getting that bit worse.

    i am to go for another MRI series soon. There are multiple brain lesions, global shrinkage, and a syrinx on the thoracic area of the spinal cord. The latter is a small lesion where CSF gets trapped in the centre of the cord, if it remains small and stable it may cause no specific symptoms in itself, however it can enlarge and quite suddenly cause paralysis, but can be drained surgically. Broadcaster Ronan Collins had one of these which suddenly paralysed him, and got it surgically fixed. They are not common, can occur randomly but develop to a greater extent in people with MS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,654 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    It sounds like you’ve been through the wars lately . I hope ’24 is better .

    Mexico was a dream of mine ( hsct in clinica Ruiz , I think ) but my money was stolen , and now it’s too late I think .

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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Wait til we get into remyelination & nerve rejuvenation! It’s possible but maybe not probable in our lifetime. If Metformin proves to be beneficial that could be fast-tracked and we could perhaps realistically improve a little.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    When people ask what MS feels like to have, I always say it can be simulated if you really want to know.

    A good starting point would be to tie two different weights on each angle, and on wrists, to simulate the irregular heaviness and muscle weakness. Put strong bandages around each ankle so that the joints can barely move. A pair of surgical stockings, or better still two pairs on a least one leg to simulate uneven tightness of calf muscles. A tens machine or two on various parts to simulate pins and needles, some itching power, a good blurring gel in one eye, make sure to fill the bladder full til it starts leaking, cross both legs tight till they are numb with pins and needles, then try to walk on them. Compress elbows to cause pins and needles in hands, get lots of numbing dental gel for mouth, don’t sleep for 36 hours to simulate the lack of focus and exhaustion, and take maximum dose of Imodium to simulate bowel problems (although I have ileostomy), make sure to do all or many of these things at same time to give the best lived experience.

    *** I do not actually recommend using tight bandages that may cut off circulation, creating hazards that might cause you to fall, or taking inappropriate medication. But you get the general idea. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,654 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    That was the dream when I was diagnosed. I listen to a couple of BBC5 shows on podcasts. One was the Naked Scientist, DR Chris Smith , with news that a drug had shown positive signs for remyelation. That was 2014.

    I can’t remember the name of it but it’s a drug already in use . google threw up this.

    https://www.mssociety.org.uk/research/latest-research/latest-research-news-and-blogs/first-person-ms-joins-new-myelin-repair-trial

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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    This morning woke up unable to get out of bed, my right leg kept going from under me. It was bad yesterday, almost fell several times in Dundrum, and had a failed attempt to get to next floor, long story. Dragged my way to living room now where I have a rollater on standby, now have to use it to get around apartment. I’ve a horrible tremor all over and my hands will barely function. It really has me very frightened, especially that I live alone.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Trying to take a cup of tea almost impossible, my right arm won’t work reliably to hold cup, half to bring head to table to drink it, it’s really taken a horrible turn.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Now I have bad double vision. I’ve always had strabismus but could suppress the second image, can’t do so at the moment. It adds to my overall dysfunction & coordination. If all this continues I’ll be heading into a home for the bewildered pretty soon. Hate the thought of being fed and washed etc 😣



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 61,545 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I'd love to have a lovely solution in a post for you. What an awful ordeal, hoping it's flare type episode

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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Interesting that this drug is under review for potential remyelination capabilities. 🧐



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    I know, I want someone to wave a magic wand, I’m feeling devastated atm. I will likely improve a bit, but I’m gathering disability and waiting on further MRIs and HPV test to see if I could have and also benefit from treatment. I ordered a home HPV test which arrived today, at €89 cheaper that getting it at GP etc



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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Just got letter for a non-contrast MRI at Blackrock in two weeks, as Prof Tubridy says it’s very difficult to get to my ones in SVUH, and seeing as I have VHI I’m fully covered at Blackrock. I see on the letter it is specifically a cervical spinal one, must be because I have a syrinx lesion thereabouts that could cause paralysis if it expands 🧐 I’ve had 2 brain & spine MRIs already this year. Prof Tubridy always wants contrast but Blackrock have a non-contrast policy as they hold it can build up in the brain and potentially lead to complications over the long term.



  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    I have been doing more research on syrinx formation, well explained below, it may account for my remarkable progression

    It can very much be associated with MS as explained below

    There is potential for improvement IF my fast deterioration is better accounted for by the syrinx than rapid MS progression as it could be amenable to surgical drainage, indeed would have to be operated on if/when it grows as it can potentially be very serious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,654 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Interesting that it mentions Meningitis. I’ve been diagnosed with bacterial meningitis in the past as a catch all for a relapse before I was diagnosed.

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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    At least you got diagnosed with something 😁 even if it was incorrect 🤣 I was going through records from years back after I came to the attention of a neurologist (not directly related to MS symptoms) who now only specialises in epilepsy, who noted “multiple white matter hyperintensities in cerebral cortex, uncertain cause, she does mention history of sporadic neurological issues which I believe are probably functional in nature”.

    Inotherwords, feck off, it’s not my sub-speciality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,654 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Once I had all the tests , lumbar puncture and MRI’s the Neurologist was confident of a MS diagnosis. I can trace symptoms back to childhood , and even though he disregarded me my lesion is an old one. I remember being in hospital when I was 2/3 and taken by ambulance to Dublin ( my 1st relapse ) .

    But those medical records have long since been binned

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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    I’ve had some neuro stuff going on since hood, I was born with strabismus, and was always falling to one side. Numb right foot on and off since at least my 20s, left hand doing its own thing around same time, always episodes of dodgy balance, single eye pain, blurred vision. But I had very troublesome ulcerative colitis which took centre stage, and for which I received Humira which is actually toxic to people with MS. I had major surgery to remove my colon & ileostomy. Started putting muscle cramps etc etc to electrolyte imbalances which are common enough with ileostomy but blood tests proved these were not underlying my neuro symptoms.

    When I had that bad fall that knocked me out senseless last March I underwent MRIs in Blackrock after attending ED next day after spending night on my living room floor & unable to move for hours, but I was under the care of a general medicine consultant who had some kind of run-in with a neurologist he called from another private hospital. She had marked down “Query - MS, CIDP, Vasculitis? Needs follow up in 3 months”. She accused the general medicine consultant of lack of cooperation and pulled out of my care, then the general consultant wiped his hands of me too and has since refused to even communicate with Prof Tubridy whom I now attend in SVUH. He ordered more scans and all sorts of tests, all pointing to MS, but he says it looks like I have a progressive form which might not respond satisfactorily to treatment, which cannot in any case be given whilst I have cervical HPV. The syrinx is being monitored too, likely formed after a spinal lesion caused a necrotic area, now filled by fluid.

    The home test kit for HOV arrived today, so will do the test next week, has to be left in at a post office in prepaid envelope on a weekday, except Friday, for processing as quickly as possible.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 61,545 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Question for you Recode, are you in a position to buy/subscribe to a medical alert device?. It's a frightening thing to consider but possibly more frightening not to have in the event?

    I'm very aware of myself in that, but my situation isn't an iota on yours. Sorry if that's invasive or rude, hoping that it's a flare that will subside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,654 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    God you’ve been through the wars. Im feeling slightly relieved I ‘only’ have MS

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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    well, having had the colectomy/ileostomy I no longer have the colitis, that’s a real positive 😁

    It’s actually not unusual for MS & inflammatory bowel disease to be co-morbidities. They have common factors including altered microbiome, indeed one gut bacteria apparently drives the breakdown of the blood-brain barrier.

    My mother was given the now banned drug DES during her pregnancy with me. Her first born, a big healthy boy, died of Asian Influenza during a pandemic. She subsequently had a series of miscarriages, and was given the drug in an attempt to help her retain the pregnancy as she was an older mother and running out of time to have any children. Unfortunately that drug resulted in serious defects in the children born to these women, especially girls, from cancers, to autoimmune diseases like IBD & MS as well as ADHD, and some of these defects were perpetuated to further generations. It was banned elsewhere, but little old Ireland was slow to withdraw toxic drugs, including DES and Thalidomide.



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  • Posts: 24,009 Davis Stocky Typographer


    Not at all, I always welcome questions, suggestions etc, knowledge is power as the Mayan Mexicans say.

    After my bad fall last March which rendered me unconscious in a pool of blood on my living room floor, and unable to move for hours after I came around, I got an Apple Watch which has fall detection and an alert system. Indeed I spoke about it at an MS conference, and sone other people took note to buy one. No subscription required. It will alert two named people plus emergency service. My next door neighbour has an emergency key, as well as a relative living two kilometres away. They all have each other’s contact numbers etc, so I have a network in case I did take a tumble.

    The alerts that Recode has fallen go out to my contacts, they then phone me and ask am I ok, if I do t respond they contact emergency services, the people with keys etc who can then gain access. Modern tech is really great for anyone with any kind of disability, even anyone simply living alone as anyone can fall.

    I feed a surgeon I attended earlier this year told me he bought an Apple watch for his elderly mother, as she was living alone, but was trialling it himself so as he could explain it to her. He went to a party wearing the watch, had too many pints, got on a skateboard, fell off it, and lo and behold an ambulance got summonsed but all he really hurt was his pride!



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