What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Flaneur OBrien · 13-12-2023 09:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121492455#Comment_121492455

Wasn't this always going to happen with Smith going to the Supreme Court?

https://www.rawstory.com/tanya-chutkan-2666581971/

briany · 13-12-2023 09:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121491893#Comment_121491893

It won't be a contradiction in their minds because they believe any and all legal proceedings against Trump to be a nefarious plot by the deep state to stop him from running for POTUS or becoming same. So it's completely natural in their minds that Trump would kibosh these cases if he could.

As for Biden, a large chunk of Trump's support literally believe that Biden is not the POTUS. In fact we can remember that thing that was going around in early 2021 that Trump was going to lead a March coup that would observe the 'correct' result of the 2020 election. And even if they don't get that conspiratorial, I'm sure they'll be happy to make Biden a special case in the interest of their nation.

everlast75 · 13-12-2023 09:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121492527#Comment_121492527

From what I heard from others who know more, no.

The jury selection etc could have proceeded, select pre-trial motions etc.

everlast75 · 14-12-2023 05:38AM

Perfect example of trump folk hearing what they want to hear....

Tony EH · 14-12-2023 07:44AM

The capacity for Trumptards to engage in the most appalling and wilful ignorance is never anything but a source of hideous fascination for me.

You know, the "dictatorial" part of me infrequently poses the suggestion that perhaps people should be subject to a basic IQ test before they're allowed into the voting booth.

😐️

Economics101 · 14-12-2023 09:09AM

Yesterday the House of Representatives voted to start official investigations into the question of impeaching President Biden. Last night on BBC World News (unfortunately I don't have a link) there was an interview with the arch-Trumpite, Senator Ron Johnson of Mssiouri. JOhnson started out with references to "the Biden Crime Family", and while the interviewer tried to press him on the question of evidence, Johnson managed to make several references to the Hunter Biden case, whihc were totally unsubstantiated, and more importantly not effectively questioned by the interviewer.

I take two lessons from this (i) how woefully unprepared journalists are when interviewing liars and chancers and (ii) Steve Bannon's strategy of "flooding the zone with sh*t is now the main GOOP policy

pixelburp · 14-12-2023 09:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493263#Comment_121493263

Is this surprising though? The myth of the hard-man who'll come in and clean shop is a persistent and viral fallacy; I knew when he said it there'd be those who'd cheer the idea of a dictator. Supporting Trump second time around requires a jettisoning of logic in the first place - stands to reason the next step is to simply say "President For Life: Why Not?"

looksee · 14-12-2023 09:38AM

I twitch to correct some of the more egregious misuse of words that I see online, but it can't be done and gradually one person's errors become lots of people's errors, then even become accepted as appropriate usage. 'Decimated' is a good example, but there are thousands more. Thus language/English becomes weakened until swathes of the population have no real idea of the meaning of the words they use.

So, evidently, it is with 'dictator'. The 'poorly educated' have decided it just means someone who is makes decisive moves and gets things done, so there is no scare factor, no other implications (so long as its Trump). Its the Proles' contribution to Newspeak.

Yes, language has always developed and changed, but thanks to the internet this is happening year by year or even month by month so that some people are still using the original meaning of words while others are using their own invented meaning, so that we are not speaking the same language.

Christy42 · 14-12-2023 09:39AM

The support for a dictatorship is unsurprising.

I saw it mentioned a bit around the time of Biden's election that some terms "shouldn't count" because the media was mean to him or whatever. It was also mentioned a lot in the run up to Jan 6th that the "correct" result should be enforced through force.

They are well aware that relying on public voting will not get the result they want, they have seen that in the various abortion bills that have been voted on in lower levels.

Love the analogy of a parent coming in insisting to clean up or whatever when it would be closer to completely following the orders of an annoyed toddler.

everlast75 · 14-12-2023 09:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493509#Comment_121493509

Agreed, but I mention it in the context of two people, hearing the same words, and generously interpreting it in the manner which suits them best.

One thinks "he didn't mean it"... the other "well, isn't that a good thing?"

pixelburp · 14-12-2023 10:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493599#Comment_121493599

I'm just reminded of this classic tweet at this stage, if indeed Trump were to be elected and went full-on President-King; these fools will only quickly pivot to buyer's remorse once things kicked into overdrive and the economy started cratering.

https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/654934442549620736

Quin_Dub · 14-12-2023 01:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493706#Comment_121493706

But they'd blame it on the Liberals.

The chances that they themselves would recognise and accept that their position was a self-inflicted wound are fairly slim.

It'll be a bit like the Brexiteers - It's not awful because it's an awful idea , it's because nefarious outsiders blocked them from doing it properly..

ancapailldorcha · 14-12-2023 01:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121494568#Comment_121494568

I don't disagree but surely there's been at least some trickle of support leaving the MAGA demographic. I'm barely familiar with US Politics, never mind the latest polling but surely after everything he's done and been convicted of, that demographic must have shrunk somewhat.

I'm not saying he can't win in 2024 but he's not even pretending to offer anything.

pixelburp · 14-12-2023 01:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121494593#Comment_121494593

Leaving the MAGA cohort? Yes for sure there'll be a loss of support, but there'd still be voters who'd lean Republican anyway - especially if they were already anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, pro-business, "red state" conservatives before Trump came along. A lot of folk will vote Trump not because they're MAGA, but because they can't stand the other side & their mandate. No more than Biden won not because he was loved by the left of centre in the US - he clearly isn't the further Left you travel - but because Trump was & remains an egregious affront to stability, normalcy and democracy.

Quin_Dub · 14-12-2023 02:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121494819#Comment_121494819

And that is a fundamental failing of a binary Political system , a failing that has been amplified beyond recognition in recent years by a hyper-partisan media.

Unless you are a zealot you have two choices in the US - Vote for the one that disgusts you the least or abstain.

The sooner they expand the use of ranked choice voting the better.

everlast75 · 14-12-2023 03:21PM

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1735310102465274290?s=20

Another blowhard - promises to testify and then chickens out.

Such a scurrilous bunch of degenerates.

Podge_irl · 14-12-2023 03:35PM

To be "fair" to him, there is not a single competent lawyer in all the land who would let him testify.

duploelabs · 14-12-2023 03:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495384#Comment_121495384

That's why he was representing himself

Podge_irl · 14-12-2023 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495432#Comment_121495432

😂

Never mind.

TinyMuffin · 14-12-2023 11:38PM

https://youtu.be/hLVjvXoLxq4?si=Xm-NfThoGtj9RgWu

spend 4600 dollars and get a piece of his suit 😋

PropJoe10 · 15-12-2023 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495384#Comment_121495384

If I was representing him I'd have told him to jump up there and work away. Then, sit back with a bowl of popcorn. Its not like he'll be paying his lawyer anyway. Might as well have some fun with it.

duck.duck.go · 15-12-2023 11:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498177#Comment_121498177

If you are a lawyer who is dealing with Trump family and did not get paid upfront then all I can say is

ancapailldorcha · 15-12-2023 11:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498306#Comment_121498306

Yeah, basically this.

There is what's known in the construction sector as the "Trump discount". Essentially, Trump pays about two-thirds of what he owes knowing that it will take years and many thousands of dollars for aggrieved employees and contractors to recoup what they're owed. This isn't remotely a secret.

check_six · 15-12-2023 01:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498348#Comment_121498348

He is notorious for this, but I still don't understand why anyone would ever work for him. People may vote for him because he promises some nonsense, but that doesn't take money out of their pockets directly in that moment (this may be debateable). Contractors, suppliers, and lawyers know they are being ripped off as soon as they show up to work. What makes them do it? Do they think that this time it will be different?

PropJoe10 · 15-12-2023 01:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498951#Comment_121498951

I can only think that lawyers agree to represent him because it raises their profile and they can show this fact to future clients. They surely don't go into it with any expectation of getting paid. If they do, then they're almost as deluded as he is.

Quin_Dub · 15-12-2023 01:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498981#Comment_121498981

But what "profile" does it raise?

They usually come out of it with significantly diminished legal standing because they've been forced to put forward reams of utter tripe as "arguments" in court.

Just not seeing any upside to being known as one of Trumps legal team , unless there is a big market for "utterly deluded far right lunatics with lots of money and legal troubles"

Igotadose · 15-12-2023 01:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121499020#Comment_121499020

Yeah, they're losing licenses, getting disbarred, sanctioned, fined, etc. Even the lawyers for Trumpsupplicants like loony Kari Lake are seeing their attorneys being disbarred, sanctioned, etc.

John Eastman (Jan 6 insurrection legal theorist) is getting disbarred, and the disbarrment proceedings are interesting to the DOJ. Can't make this up: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/14/jack-smith-john-eastman-trump-records-00131823

duck.duck.go · 15-12-2023 01:45PM

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/dictator-trump-troops-border-1234929369/

Huh I guess many Americans have forgotten why the fought a war of independence

banie01 · 15-12-2023 03:10PM

A binder of raw intelligence, containing unredacted detail of US Intel and perhaps even more importantly, contains info related to the sources & methods used to clean the intel, missing.

Trumpist's will still cheer their guy 🤦 Even though it is becoming crystal clear that their guy is a traitor.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2023/12/politics/missing-russia-intelligence-trump-dg/

The binder contained raw intelligence the US and its NATO allies collected on Russians and Russian agents, including sources and methods that informed the US government’s assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to help Trump win the 2016 election, sources tell CNN.

The intelligence was so sensitive that lawmakers and congressional aides with top secret security clearances were able to review the material only at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, where their work scrutinizing it was itself kept in a locked safe.

Also

The binder was last seen at the White House during Trump’s final days in office. The former president had ordered it brought there so he could declassify a host of documents related to the FBI’s Russia investigation. Under the care of then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, the binder was scoured by Republican aides working to redact the most sensitive information so it could be declassified and released publicly.

The Russian intelligence was just a small part of the collection of documents in the binder, described as being 10 inches thick and containing reams of information about the FBI’s “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia. But the raw intelligence on Russia was among its most sensitive classified materials, and top Trump administration officials repeatedly tried to block the former president from releasing the documents.

The day before leaving office, Trump issued an order declassifying most of the binder’s contents, setting off a flurry of activity in the final 48 hours of his presidency. Multiple copies of the redacted binder were created inside the White House, with plans to distribute them across Washington to Republicans in Congress and right-wing journalists.

ancapailldorcha · 15-12-2023 03:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121499020#Comment_121499020

They're probably not thinking it through and/or they're naive enough to think that they'll win and that Trump will pay out.

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