Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

What does the future hold when these refugees vote in local elections, and the irish people that actually live in the locality are essentially frozen out of local decision making?

Still pedaling shyte I see.

You listed countries with huge refugee problems, but gave no bloody context.

No. 1 Iran

Iran is beside Afghanistan, a country even more toxic than Iran when it comes to it's ruling regime.

No. 2 Pakistan

Pakistan is also beside Afghanistan and so receives huge number of Afghani refugees.

You also have Kashmiri refugees who fled the Indian controlled Kashmir Valley.

No. 3 Columbia

Columbia is beside Venezuela and has 2.9 million Venezuelan refugees.

Also you have huge numbers of displaced Columbians due to paramilitaries like Farc and drug traffickers.

No. 4 Turkey

Turkey has a border with Syria and is probably more preferable destination than Israel, Iraq, Saudi Arabia not that these countries would probably take them.

Likewise Lebanon has major number of Syrian refugees.

Turkey also is seen as as a Staging post for entry into Europe so gets refugees and migrants from Afghanistan, Iraq, you name it.

No. 5 Germany

Germany is the odd one odd and it is because old Merkel threw the welcome matt out back in 2015 and invited half the world in.

Also Germany being the powerhouse of Europe would be popular destination.

Granted little old Ireland is now outdoing them by offering to screw over the Irish natives by gifting free accommodation, lavish social welfare and ultimately citizenship of EU no questions asked.

You forgot to mention places like Uganda with huge numbers from South Sudan, Democratic Republic of Congo, Somali.

Then there is Democratic Republic of Congo itself with huge numbers of displaced people and the old Hutu killers from Rwanda.

Did you know One in every four Central Africans were displaced due to internal strife?

Most countries in Africa either have refugees from their neighbours or are providing refugees to their neighbours.

Maybe Europe doesn't bear brunt of refugee problems simply because we are not for the most part (take Balkans and Ukraine out of mix) fooking slaughtering each other or have sh*tholes for neighbours that are being run by despotic regimes.

People like you want us to beggar ourselves, turning our own countries into sh*tholes and think it will magically solve the ills of the world.

That's it, quit your job and start collecting the dole. That will show everyone. 😂

This 100% and I can't see how anyone can argue with this point! Many industries in Ireland would not survive without inward migration. Here's the thing though, we need the right type of migration. People who benefit society with their skills and labour.

The problem is many here and in society as a whole (usually the kind that are not effected in any way by the impact of mass immigration) conflate both positions and if you hold the belief of the second half of your statement they ignore the first part and lazily label you right wing.

Here's the thing also, the issues such as we saw in Dublin a couple of weeks ago, go a lot deeper and have more nuance than just screaming about the extreme right wing boogey man (of which there are actually **** all in Ireland). Do you really think those fuckwits needed encouragement or direction to do what they did? Do you also think they have the basic intelligence to organise in such a a way? No, they are just scumbags looking for any excuse. What we need to do is tackle the causes of what is producing these scumbags. It needs a holistic approach of both tackling societal deprivation and coupling that with abandoning our soft touch attitude to criminality in Ireland.

The blame for where we are is the government and not the emigrants as such. Now when I say that we need to break it out a bit. The cause is government policy but the symptoms are immigrants competing for accommodation in an already stressed out market. So when people do say "the immigrants are not to blame", this is strictly true but they are the cause (yes you can be the cause of an issue without being the architects of why that issue exists).

The binary arguments on many threads about this is frankly boring and repetitive and I also believe many on here are completely disingenuous with how they approach these discussions. Yes there are fringes who just hate anyone who doesn't look and talk like them. I can accept that. But what we have now is people with genuine concerns being shouted down and labelled as right wing because they don't want every spare home and hotel room filled up with single men who arrive into the country with no passport to claim asylum. Once again it's their "betters" in the leafy parts of Dublin who wouldn't meet an immigrant unless they were cleaning their house that pontificate to these people about this.

No, just out-numbered in particular towns & villages

Just a tad undemocratic isn't it?

People living in their locality all their lives, working, paying local property tax.

Potentially left out in the cold electorally by a mass of people with no connection to the area or the country, that the government have literally supplanted there in the dead of night (in some cases).

Out of interest, who would you be afraid of non nationals voting for? It's still going to be the exact same list of candidates on the ballot paper : FF, FG, SF, Lab, Greens, SDs, PBP, Aontu etc.

Fake News - Misinformation - Disinformation on your part.

I made no comment whatsoever about race.

It's undemocratic shipping shed loads of "voters" to an area to dilute the locals living there.

And all with very similar immigration policies, except maybe Aontu. Is there any evidence 'new Irish' dispoportionately support any political party, the handful who do vote anyway?

With the exception of one brave independent TD (can’t recall her name but she was featured on a sky news report recently on Ireland’s immigration madness) they all follow the bible of allowing the refugee immigration INDUSTRY to roll on & on.

The other politicians and parties are seemingly cucks to the establishment cronies and wouldn’t dare be labelled with the industry protective slur call of being far right.

Of no! I just realised I typed that last post with my RIGHT hand. I use that hand FAR too often. I’ll just go stand in the far left hand corner of the room and think about my life choices

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I gave up my job to care for an elderly relative. As both my relative and I were stupid enough to be frugal and save money while we were working, we don't pass any means tests for anything. No carer's allowance for me, no fuel allowance for my relative. Our household income consists of my relative's pension plus my 1850 euro (carers support grant) per YEAR from the state. Also I've had to attend an interview with DSP to show that I was providing the requisite care for this grant. This is in spite of them having received a report from the GP which showed the extent of my relatives health problems and dependency.

If people that live in an area are legally allowed to vote then why would you try to stop them?

If they live there, they are local

I have had a vote in many different parts of Ireland, do you think I shouldn't be allowed vote where I live?