Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

How do you know they're not Hamas members in advance? Because that's what you're claiming.

As for why the images were posted, well, I can see it as an intimidation tactic too. It's wartime.

Even if the incident happened as the IDF claim (which numerous people query), the uploading of the photos and videos onto social media is heading straight into war crimes territory. Regime spokesmen literally admitted that some of the men were subsequently released, meaning the IDF uploaded photos and videos of identifiable innocent civilians stripped to their underwear and forced to kneel on the ground with their hands tied behind their backs.

And you actually believe that a suspected combatant gets detained and is told to strip naked before they are told to disarm. No army in the world or even police force does that, the first thing they do is disarm them. Why would a camera crew be at the scene and film a guy surrendering his weapon and then film the exact same thing again unless it was done for the cameras ?

Have you considered the IDF might just be rounding males up, stripping them naked and then give one of them a rifle to show every one on the TV the enemy is surrendering.

Have you noticed what is in his hands, it was filmed twice ? It's a wonder some guy never popped up with a cipboard shouting " take 2 "

Depends on what you mean "Cool"? Is it a question that asks am I happy with and agree with what is shown in the video? No, I'm not, and in fact you could say that I'm definitely unhappy with not only this war between Israel and Palestine, but ALL wars, everywhere. Largely because I've seen too many of them and what they do to people. There was a video posted showing children /young adults stripped to their underwear, at gunpoint. It's generated a lot of discussion. Is it just Israeli propaganda? Is it true? I do not know for sure, but one thing that I do know is that these things do happen in war, and not just for propaganda either. And that's for sure.

I just wanted to put some info out that no matter what side of this you are on might be of interest to us historically as Irish people. Or well just out of curiousity.

We all know Balfour. In Ireland of course we know him as 'THE BALFOUR BUTCHER' the man who ordered the mitchelstown massacre of the peaceful unarmed rent strikers. Or sometimes he is better known as Bloody Balfour. He is better known in Cork where the mitchelstown massacre took place. There were many such events as he was well known for brutality in putting down any peaceful civil disobedience. He is HATED in cork.

It was Balfour and Churchill who created the black and tans. (amongst others). It is this Balfour that the Balfour declaration is named after as it is his, Bloody balfour. Around this time the Black and tans were fightin the IRA in Ireland. Or well let us be honest they were not interested in the IRA more like killing the Irish civilians of Cork and Dublin it seemed more like. But after independance /partition guess where Balfour /Churchill sent them? To Palestine?

A couple of years before this. A man had graduated from Uni and started to preach at the Ibrahim Ibn Adham Mosque and possibly at al-Mansuri, a smaller mosque south of Ibn Adham, closer to the port. He took a job teaching in a school. And then things changed. In 1922 the Black and Tans were sent over to Palestine. And it was 1948 when they left. And during that time that man who preached in the mosque fought them and the french fources in all of the levant for all he was worth. And he formed groups of followers around him. He fought Balfour the black and tans AND the French.

And that man was called Din Al Qassam. He quickly formed a force called the Al Qassam Brigades. And those Al Qassam brigades fought the same Balfour and Black and Tans that butchered our grandparents.

And give or take a few reformations they are the same Al Qassam Brigades that are fighting now. They are the militant wing of the better known Hamas.

And today I found something.

I found a marriage cert in Arabic from 1928. From the levant. Palestine to be precise. It has the stamps of the govt of palestine. It refers to two palestinian citizens who wish to be married. In islam I think its called the nikkah. And guess who is the cleric who signed it?

Izz Ad Din Al Qassam. This man fought against the the black and tans. Half the world away from us. And the French. Sometimes at the same time. He died in 1935 in quite mythical circumstances. He founded the AL QASSAM brigades. That is his signature. For better or worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam

More about the Black and Tans and Palestine here. https://www.theirishstory.com/2020/02/20/the-black-and-tans-in-palestine-irish-connections-to-the-palestine-police-1922-1948/

The tans were OVERWHELMINGLY BRITISH AND PROTESTANT. And quite possibly Irish people and Palestinians today are the only ones today who through family tales might know how bad they were.

I just thought it was historically interesting to both sides really. Whatever side you are on and whatever you make of it. All history now.

But the Al Qassam brigades themselves are older than Israel.

This thread is about the Israeli / Hamas war, and not about what happens here in Ireland in peace time. But if war comes to Ireland, do you think that it would be any different? But at least you admit that people arrested here in Ireland are searched, strip searched, and their clothes taken for forensics. So, like I said, its common practice. Exactly what the Israeli's are doing, but in a war zone, and dealing with large groups of people at a time. So yes, they make them strip down to their underwear, make them kneel or lie down with their hands on their heads. But unlike the Guardai, they are not dealing with just 1, 2, 3 or 4 drunken and unarmed individuals, (yet) with good support and back up. They do not have the time for the niceties of a peaceful and civilized society like Ireland has.

I love vibes is angry that Hamas aren't wearing their dress uniforms to fight it seems.

Easy to be angry about that when you arent the one having to wash them.

Breaches of the Geneva Conventions .....sure they are in breach of the conventions, and I'd say that when all of the breaches of the GVA Conventions by both sides are added up, taking pics of people without their permission, will be pretty far down the list. But nonetheless, as you say, it's still a breach of the conventions. As to why they do it? Propaganda? Souvenirs? (Hey look at what I did in the war) I don't know, but its war, and normal decent behavior goes out the window.

Of course not, but other option do the Israeli's have. Just let Hamas on their merry way launching missiles and carrying out attacks.

It's time for Egypt to set up camps with food. Water, tents in Sinai, where Hamas can't steal the food from the people or force them to remain in combat zones.

Egypt, let the people through.

You need to ask Suvi as she was adamant it happened here. Never happened here.

Tony Blair had his reputation absolutely shredded after being exposed as a war criminal. Israel can by all means go down this route, but it means they are also doing extraordinary reputational damage to themselves in the process - they will be regarded as a terrorist state for the next couple of decades at least (outside their usual far right supporters).

No doubt Bibi would love the Palestinians to go to Egypt. That probably was his plan all along . Have you any proof Hamas are stealing the aid? If Hamas are forcing people to remain in the Combat zone how have so many people managed to escape from Khan Younis to Rafah and other places in the south?

Egypt can't take 2 million refugees. Not unless the west is willing to bankroll it and it solves nothing. Another hamas would start up in egypt and launch an attack at israel from egypt. After this how can the palestinians forgive? And there is still what is going on in the west bank.

Sure do it ..but the west has to fund it. And it only kicks the can down the line. And you still have the iran /lebanon issue. The whole region is going up in flames. Ah good British colonialism it truly is the gift that keeps on giving. We still have partition here and all those problems. I mean from India to kurdistan ( all the countries kurdistan is now divided into) .. to the levant. All for power and oil and the rest. The bloody balfour butcher indeed.

I will tell you what I believe. When any army manages to capture a number of "Rebels", (insert your conflict of choice) from a safe distance, they will tell them to disarm and take off their jackets, ammo pouches etc and depending on the conditions everything else as well. And that does happen. Then they will be told to move away from their clothes, weapons etc, and then individually, they will be searched by one or more soldiers, with guns always pointed at them. Only after this has happened will they be secured and placed in a group. And only when all this has been done will they examine the clothes, weapons etc. Thats how it's done.

Is it just Israeli propaganda or not? It could well be, but I don't really know for sure. Much is being made of the change of the gun from left to right hand (or vice versa). Look at where he is standing in the crowd, with the rifle held above his head. Next, he is seen holding the rifle in his other hand. But this time he is away from the crowd, standing barefoot in what looks like very dangerous ground, littered in metal fragments. It's not impossible to think that he changed hands to give himself better balance walking into the rough ground barefoot.??? Anyway, time will tell